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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:00:57 EST
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- From: Lisa S Lewis <LISAS@PUCC.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: Information about abuse
- In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:30:43 CST from <GOLEM@UKANVM>
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- On Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:30:43 CST Jim Sinclair said:
- >
- >No, I don't think you need to feel guilty about getting intervention per
- >se. What you *should* be looking at is the appropriateness of the
- >interventions you're getting. The impression I've gotten from reading
- >Donna's book and from speaking to her (and comparing a lot of notes about
- >abusive parents) is that Donna is grateful to have had a "bad" mother
- >because she believes that many of the interventions a "good" mother would
- >have gotten for her would have made things worse. Donna and I are both
- >certain that many of the things promoted by Temple Grandin, for example,
- >would have been disastrous for us.
-
- Ok, that's reasonable. Basically, the "interventions" I'm referring to are
- a) a specialized school b)speech therapy and c)occupational therapy. We haven'
- t done anything beyond that as of yet (though we're still considering auditory
- training to help with the extreme hearing sensitivity.)
-
- >I think a better way to paraphrase
- >what Donna is saying is that it was better for her to have a *neglectful*
- >mother who didn't provide much intervention at all and let Donna get along
- >as best she could on her own (what kind of parent would let even a non-
- >disabled child sleep on the streets at the age of eight?!) than if she had
- >had a mother who well-meaningly provided inappropriate interventions that
- >would have interfered with Donna's ability to develop the survival skills
- >she found for herself. Probably the best message for parents to glean
- >from this is to make sure the interventions they try aren't making things
- >worse.
-
- I guess what bothers us is that, while what you say makes a great deal of
- sense, most of the parents and caregivers out there who read Donna's book
- won't have someone like you "paraphrasing"
-
- I'm not implying that everyone who reads Donna's book will decide that they
- should be more abusive. Certainly, it didn't make me feel like we should start
- beating up on Sam! But I still feel concerned that some parents out there,
- who feel like they've tried everything to reach their children, will shrug
- there shoulders and say, 'ok, being loving hasn't reached him, lets beat the
- "$#%@" out of him the next time he .....'
-
- > There are some interventions
- >that I think are inherently abusive (holding therapy, for instance), but
-
- Another parent once explained holding therapy to me (I'd never heard of it).
- Our son was always a big cuddler, and physical touch is something he loves.
- What other kinds of therapies do you think are inherently abusive to autistic
- children (or at least some)?
-
- >>... misguided people could read into this the benefits of abusive
- >>behavior towards autistic people. What a tragedy that would be.
- >
- >It's not just a hypothetical tragedy; it is and has been a very real part
- >of the history of autism. Things have been done to autistic people in the
- >name of "therapy" that would be called "torture" if they were done to
- >criminals or prisoners of war. I think you'd have to go back to the
-
- If that's true, and I'm sure it is though I don't know that much about it,
- then I *do* think that Donna's remarks could do some harm to some children
- out there. Her book is so enlightening, but I just find this aspect troubling.
-
- Do any other (non-autistic) readers agree with Serge and me about this?
-
- > Look at how many parents fought to keep their
- >autistic children in Matt Israel's facility!
- >
- I must claim ignorance again. I don't know who Matt Israel is or where/what
- his facility was. Jim, could you enlighten us? (Or me, if this is well
- known to everyone.)
-
- >I've talked to her about it a couple of times. Apparently she's even used
- >me as another example in some of her interviews, telling people that
- >autistics who grew up in abusive homes have been forced to learn skills
- >that autistics from non-abusive families often don't learn (because they
- >don't need them to survive), and that's why we can do so much more than
- >"typical" autistic people are expected to be capable of. I pointed out
-
- >...I think the quality that
- >separates survivors from non-survivors is the ability to find, or if
- >necessary create, the things they need to survive if the environment
- >doesn't provide for those needs. Abusing children is certainly one way
- >to bring out that quality in kids who have it (and to weed out kids who
- >don't). But there have to be better ways.
- >
- >JS
-
- Well, that's just IT. There have to be better ways. But I do think that
- people might misinterpret what she has said. Perhaps we're overreacting,
- but since abuse *has* been so much a part of the history of autism, I think
- our concerns are valid.
-
- Lisa
-