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- Newsgroups: bc.general
- Path: sparky!uunet!van-bc!cs.ubc.ca!newsserver.sfu.ca!news
- From: richard@sfu.ca (Richard Chycoski)
- Subject: Re: Repeaters, Media Adapters, Weather
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.180643.14979@sfu.ca>
- Sender: news@sfu.ca
- Reply-To: richard@sfu.ca
- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <1ht2p2INNnn1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>
- Distribution: bc
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:06:43 GMT
- Lines: 68
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- In article <1ht2p2INNnn1@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> morrison@ppc.ubc.ca (Rick Morrison -
- ppc sysadm) writes:
- > He then goes on to attribute some network problems to the device
- > when used in a "high-performance" application.
- >
- > I would say that we have been using the device in a fairly
- > "high-performance" application: 4 Sparc 2s chained off of the device.
- > The length of the thin-wire segment was, however, quite short.
- > The thin wire segment has now been replaced with twisted pair.
- > There has been no important change in the error
- > rates observed on machines that migrated from the
- > thin wire to the twisted pair.
- >
- > We have been satisfied users of the product.
- >
- > I guess Richard has a more technical definition of repeater in mind
- > than I intended - i.e. a device that joins two ethernet segments
- > at the physical layer, providing signal amplification. I gather
- > it is a pulse retiming function that Richard feels is missing
- > to merit this term. By, the way, what ARE the cheaper competing
- > products that provide retiming? The CTP100T is pretty cheap.
- >
- > Since this _is_ bc.general I suppose there ought to be some
- > B.C. general content. So: cold enuff for ya?
-
- A Sparc 2 is not high performance in the Ethernet department, it doesn't
- push the Ethernet specifications anywhere near the limits. (The Sparc 2
- has a rather low I/O bandwidth.) We have Sparc 2s, Sparc 470s, SGI 3ds,
- an RS/6000, an Auspex NS5000, and many NeXTs. It's the latter two machines
- that *really* push Ethernet to its limits, since they are both designed
- with 'smart' Ethernet controllers. They are capable of issuing packets
- that have minimal (but within specification) delay between successive packets.
-
- An 'Ethernet repeater' is a device that retimes the signals as they pass
- through. The common term for a device that changes from one Ethernet medium
- to another is without retiming is 'media converter'. A CTP100T does not
- contain the retiming circuitry, and as a result, cannot live up to the full
- Ethernet standard. We have had several discussions with Cabletron about this
- deficiency, and their response has been that they understand that this
- problem exists, but that the market for CTP100Ts is small enough that it
- isn't worth their trouble to redesign, and wouldn't you rather just buy
- one of our MR2000's instead (for a larger chunk of money)? (:-) (I say this
- latter with tounge-in-cheek, since the Cabletron people said this mostly in
- jest, admitting that they didn't really have the product that we were looking
- for in this case. Most of the Ethernets in our campus network are Cabletron
- MMAC based, we were hoping that we would not need to go to another supplier for
- this annoying little piece of hardware.)
-
- The NeXT on my desk was originally connected to our network through a CTP100T.
- NFS performance was abysmal, due to the mangled packets. (*Lots* of timeouts
- due to retransmission.) Eliminating the CTP100T eliminated the problem. Our
- Computing Science Department discovered the same thing with a number of their
- machines, and it was Eric Kolotyluk (eric@cs.sfu.ca) who discovered the
- alternate that contains a repeater. I don't remember the manufacturer of the
- units that he bought (maybe Micom or Xylogics?). Drop Eric a quick note, and
- I'm sure that he'll respond with an address or phone number for the supplier.
- I do remember that they were cheaper than Cabletron by $50-100, depending on
- quantity and your Cabletron discount. (The last time that I saw the price
- for a CTP100T it was in the range of $450.)
-
- I don't actually have one of these devices on my own workstation (I have a
- direct Thinwire to a Cabletron MMAC now), but Eric has been quite pleased with
- the performance of these units compared to the CTP100T.
-
- - Richard Chycoski
- Academic Computing Services
- Simon Fraser University
- richard@sfu.ca (NeXT Mail OK.)
-