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- From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
- Subject: Re: Rail/MassTrans vs. Cars+IVHS
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.184829.12223@adobe.com>
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- Reply-To: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
- Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA
- References: <1992Dec22.174859.22395@pbhya.PacBell.COM> <ljeosiINNac@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Dec23.005636.12897@ntmtv>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:48:29 GMT
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- Dean Angelico writes:
- >|> No discussion of the future of cars or mass transit, or even
- >|> how to improve on or solve transportation problems should overlook
- >|> the trend towards IVHS. Clearly Smart cars and highways will not be
- >|> a panacea, but it will inevitably factor into our society over the
- >|> next several decades.
-
- Adrian Brandt responds:
- >I think IVHS will 1) cost a lot of money, and 2) essentially be a waste
- >of time because it is just pushing out (extending) the saturation point
- >of our existing infrastructure.
- >....
- >Wouldn't *real* vision be a somewhat more revolutionary shift in our
- >thinking and priorities away from the last 50 years or so of auto-
- >centered planning and solutions to all our transportation needs?
-
- I think those manufacturers who would profit from IVHS would like us
- to believe there's a "trend", but I think that's stretching the truth.
-
- I too see IVHS as an attempt to keep the single-occupant auto at the
- center of urban transportation. It's yet another example of
- extrapolating the status quo, like the "Future 120 MPH Highways" I used
- to read about in Popular Science when I was a kid in the 60's.
-
- Instead, I'd like to see the ingenuity that is going into IVHS redirected
- toward creating an intelligently-dispatched demand-driven door-to-door
- shuttle system that, in conjunction with bus and rail transit, could
- allow me to replace a car for many local and moderate-distance trips.
- Kind of "Dial-A-Ride" with smarts.
-
- I'd like to be able to call for a ride no matter where I am within the
- served area, using a handheld device, and have this device tell me where
- to meet the ride, how long until it appears, how long it will take me to
- get to my desired destination, and how much it will cost. If a scheduled
- transit route is nearby and would make a good connection, the system
- should direct me to it or have the shuttle take me to it, with no
- "waiting on the corner for a ride". And when I board, it should
- automatically debit my account and issue any connecting tickets or
- transfers I'll need.
-
- "Intelligent highways" are a dead end. Let's make "intelligent
- transportation" available instead.
-
- /John
-
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