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- Subject: Re: Alliance for a Paving Moratorium (Alert)
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:17:45 PST
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- In <1992Dec23.150919.7450@pbhye.PacBell.COM>, Mike Vandeman writes:
-
- >-- --- Light rail is more cost-effective than freeway construction.
- >-- Estimates for urban freeway construction range as high as $1
- >-- billion per mile, while new light rail costs only $10 to $16
- >-- million per mile.
- >-
- >-Where do they get this stuff? The light rail built in Santa Clara
- >-county was far more expensive than this, while the freeways were far
- >-less expensive. Don't they think they can make their point without
- >-gross exaggeration?
-
- >It's not much of an exaggeration. The Cypress Freeway will cost over
- >a $billion for 1.5 miles. You must be talking about construction of
- >additional lanes in existing ROW. What about highway 85??
-
- Yes, it's *possible* that a highway can cost almost $1 billion per mile and
- that light rail can cost "only" $10-$15M per mile. But those amounts are
- *far* from the norm, and you know it damn well. And in most areas of the
- country, where starter homes don't cost $250,000, the cheaper land acquisition
- costs make freeways cheaper (usually). Half of the cost in building Route 85
- is in land acquisition. Very little of the cost of rail is for that purpose.
-
- Highway 85: About $500 million for an 18-mile stretch, or $27.8 million per
- mile. How much did light rail cost through downtown San Jose? I'll bet it
- was a hell of a lot more than $27.8 million per mile. My point isn't that
- rail is always more expensive--it's that you can use numbers to say pretty
- much whatever the hell you want them to, and you're being disingenuous by
- peddling off those loaded numbers as a typical, normal comparison. That's
- bullschmidt.
-
- I was at a meeting in Milpitas last year about extending Bart from Warm Springs
- to downtown San Jose, and the cost was over $200 million per mile. See that?
- Route 85 (freeway): $27.8 million. BART: $200 million. Therefore I conclude
- that freeways are always cheaper than rail systems. Ridiculous, isn't it?
-
- Light rail north of downtown San Jose was a classic pork project. It is very
- useful for me when going into downtown. I always use it when I have an
- occasion to go downtown. But north of St. James, a bus is just as fast and
- just as functional without the added cost of rail.
-
-
- Tim Irvin
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