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- Newsgroups: aus.general
- Date: 03 Jan 93 03:57 EST
- Subject: Vegetarian Ethics?????????????????
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- On - Vegetarians ARE weaker - sorry!
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- Looks like this topic got gobbled up by one of those little black holes
- theorized to be orbiting inside the Earth. A couple of minor points
- snuck past unchallenged.
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- On the "thin" argument that vegetarians are probably healthier because more
- take better care of their bodies than many omnivores:
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- > "- Studies have shown Seventh Day Adventists' coronary mortality rate is 14
- ) percent of the general population's.
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- comment: SDA's also avoid tobacco and alcohol. Major factors!
- comment: There is no disputing a moderate balanced diet is better by far
- than a diet with excess fat and not enough fibre and nutrients.
- Moderation, not extremism is the answer.
-
- On the light hearted suggestion that 3rd world people eat westerners:
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- ) I hardly think that the developed nations will consent to being fed to the
- ) starving masses elsewhere.
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- comment: True. But the typical urban elite in developing nations would do
- anything to their impoverished rural populace if western countries
- made it worth their while. Look at their track record. Eating
- tender canned African and Latin American babies has tremendous
- potential for solving the world's overpopulation problem.
-
- question: will this happen if/when the greenhouse effect (see csiro.public)
- destroys the world's rice harvest and the seas run out of fish?
-
- AND this Whopper:
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- ) Nothing died to give me my dinner
-
- comment: Wrong! I have watched land being cleared for agriculture. Tonnes
- of creatures large and small are crushed or driven away. Those
- displaced must find a new niche or starve. Those who find a new
- niche displace other creatures who starve.
- Also I have cultivated land with a tractor. It is amazing how many
- creatures are crushed. This is constant and ongoing until the
- land is too enfeebed to support anything, at which stage more land
- is cleared.
- Also consider what cannot live so we can have our dinner. I recently
- persuaded a friend to withdraw agistment from her 5 acre block. Now
- the land next door has been grazed to stubble to make milk, while
- her land carries tonnes of tall grass in seed. This will feed
- countless insects and birds and snakes and reptiles and mammals
- that would otherwise have starved or not existed at all.
- And are there milk products in your ethically pure dinner? To
- make milk calves must be born and then taken from their mothers.
- Their bleating is heartrending. Some are trucked away to be
- used as veal. Many others are put out of their misery by being
- hit on the head with a hammer or the blunt end of an axe and
- then are left to rot. All routine practice in milk production.
- Eggs? The roosters have to be killed. Hens usually die too
- after they lay a few hundred eggs.
- And there's more. Efficient cultivation requires chemicals and
- these all impact on the ecology. "Natural" pyrethrum for just one
- single instance kills immature frogs in ponds, rivers and lakes.
- Fertilizers are hauled to the farm, food is hauled to the markets.
- Roads don't nourish the natural ecology and are in fact killing
- fields for all manner of life forms.
- And so on.......
-
- So nothing died to give you your dinner? Tell us another one!
- Sorry to burst your bubble. Perhaps too many years in rural
- areas has made me too realistic. When all the factors are
- considered meat eating may well involve less death and
- destruction than that required for the extra food vegetarians
- must eat to stay healthy and rational and insightful.
-
- But I admire your sincerity and good intentions. That puts you
- far ahead of many others!
-
- Lawrie Williams
-
- Some suggestions to mitigate the horrible hurt we are doing to other lifeforms:
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- Burn uranium, not coal as too many radio-isotopes are entering the food chain
- Stop all garbage burning urgently as this is releasing too many poisons
- Australia MUST stop importing people, the pressure is already too great
- Encourage energy-conserving indolence and apathy with cheap drugs (joke.joke.)
- Waste less at every meal
- Shoot the pope
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