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- From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
- Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
- Subject: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <725963062snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au>
- References: <1992Dec22.085300.1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au>
- Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 08:24:22 GMT
- Organization: Baldrick Fan Club
- Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au
- Lines: 95
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- First, let me say I don't get alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. I can however
- get it at work and are therefore aware of the newsgroup and what it contains.
- I also have to agree to a certain extent that some of the "erotic" pictures
- are not really erotic - they are tasteless.
-
- HOWEVER, I think this posting is going a little overboard.
-
- In article <1992Dec22.085300.1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au> ryanph@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au writes:
-
- >
- >
- >
- >
- > The Internet newsgroup, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, is just a forum for
- > pornographic images to be exchanged worldwide.
-
- so? one of many such forums.
-
- > Since pornography is demeaning to women, I believe the AarNet and any other
- > Australian network, should not be subscribing to such rubbish.
-
- Well, lets extend this line of thought - ban all the newsgroups except
- aus.* comp.* bionet.* and sci.* Nearly every other group can be said to
- contain "rubbish" in one way or another.
-
- > Recently, images of nude women chained up and tied up have graced the pages of
- > this 'news'group. This does not, in my opinion, fall within the usage
- > guidelines of AarNet.
-
- And how, may I ask, do you know that such pictures have appeared? Obviously
- you must peruse this group. If you are such a moralist, why do you do so?
-
- > There are at least three reasons to remove this newsgroup and any others which
- > are similarly demeaning to women:
- >
- > 1) The images are pornographic, not 'erotic': consult any of your
- > female colleagues for their opinions
-
- Agreed - to a small extent. It depends greatly on the individuals definition
- of "erotic".
-
- > 2) The images are largely _illegally_ scanned-in images from
- > pornographic magazines (so that there is copyright infringement)
-
- The copyright issue covers many newsgroups - I think we can dismiss this
- until there is some well defined standard for Internet.
-
- > 3) The usage of these images is NOT one of the uses of AarNet that our
- > employers want to be paying for
-
- Why not ban many other groups then - movies, music, startrek, Dr Who, etc in
- the rec hierarchy. I think this applies equally well to them. As I said
- above - ban nearly all the groups except the "scientific or academic" ones.
- Come on, be realistic.
-
- > Other reasons to remove the group (and any similar groups):
- >
- > * the scandal that would be attached to Aarnet and the Internet more
- > generally if this were to reach the conventional media
-
- Doubt it. The conventional media is guilty of many like crimes.
-
- > * women are badly enough represented on computer networks without
- > further turning them away with the sexual harassment implicit in the
- > promulgation of such pornographic images.
-
- sexual harassment of women? Are'nt you being a bit sexist? I see that
- there are also pornographic images of men.
-
- > If you think that the newsgroup is 'harmless fun': see what your female
- > colleagues, friends, wives, secretaries think ===== particularly in light of
- > the fact that your employer is paying for it. Legally, it is a clear case of
- > sexual harassment.
-
- I don't think it is sexual harassment - not unless you actively go and decode
- the uuencoded parts and display them with a gif viewer.
-
- It's not a magazine you know - people just can't accidentally look at the
- pictures. They have to willingly decode them and view them. I think
- that there is quite a difference between electronic porn and non-electronic
- porn.
-
- > nb: I am _not_ talking from a moral 'high ground'. I am _not_ a card-carrying
- > member of the Moral Majority. However, pornography generally is demeaning to
- > women, and I believe that it is particularly poor in the present context.
-
- if you aren't taking the moral "high ground" then just what are you doing?
-
- That's my 2c worth. I'd also like to say that I don't support sexual
- harassment in any context and I do agree that some of the material is
- going a bit too far. But I don't support a ban on this newsgroup.
-
- Cameron.
-
-