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- From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
- Subject: Re: An apology
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- From kaygee@u.washington.edu Thu Dec 24 10:00:50 1992
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 09:30:49 -0800 (PST)
- From: Kevin Giansante <kaygee@u.washington.edu>
- To: Kevin Giansante <kaygee@u.washington.edu>
- Subject:
-
- In an earlier post, Curious Al <CLINDSAY@vma.cc.nd.edu> asks us:
-
-
- >I have a question unrelated to this subject line.
- >In the sentence, "She felt someone tug her coat" what justifies
- >the form "tug"? Is it a subjunctive perhaps? I note how it differs
- >in meaning from "she felt someone tugged her coat" and "she felt
- >somone tugging her coat" but how can "tug" be the verb of "someone"?
- >(It's not an imperative of course: "someone tug her coat please.")
- >Curious Al
-
-
- There's a pattern here...
-
- I saw someone throw a stone.
- I heard John scream at Mary.
- Bill saw Fred eat a watermelon.
-
- But:
-
- I remember someone('s) throwing a stone.
- I imagined John('s) screaming at Mary.
- Bill thought he saw Fred eating a watermelon.
-
- I think what we're seeing in the first group, and in your example, is the
- convention of using the continuous form "only for deliberate actions"
- (Practical English Grammar, Thomson and Martinet). Verbs of the senses
- are presumed to refer to involuntary actions. While this can easily be
- argued against, that's pretty much the pat traditional grammatical argument.
-
- Doesn't tell you much, does it? Well, that's the problem with traditional
- grammatical arguments.
-
- I think that either you're right, and it's a derivative of some use of the
- subjunctive (perhaps the senses were considered unreliable?), or it
- represents some kind of syntactic anomaly that's just happened to become
- generalized, or something else...
-
- That doesn't tell you much either, does it? That's the problem with
- non-traditional linguists, I guess.
-
- Thanks for interrupting the usual strident pedantry of alt.usage.english, by
- the way. Your question was a welcome break. And you shouldn't ever
- apologize for breaking the thread of argument; the dogfights get awfully
- tedious sometimes.
-
- KG
-
-