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- Path: sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!hersch
- Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:09:28 EST
- From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Message-ID: <92364.210929HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: _1984_ and "they"
- Lines: 39
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- In article <168CC10F5E.R0264@vmcms.csuohio.edu>, R0264@vmcms.csuohio.edu says:
- >
- >In article <12215@kesson.ed.ac.uk>
- >iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
- >> `You _want_ it to happen to the other person.
- >> You don't give a damn what they suffer.'
- >>
- >>I'm pretty sure this is the only one (I've been reading very closely).
- >>I haven't read anything else by G Orwell, so I don't know what happens
- >>in his other books, though I intend to find out in the very near future.
-
- >It seems to me that "the other person" was used meaning really, "other
- >people", just because it is a familiar figure of speech.
-
- Oh boy, does it *not* mean this in _1984_. It seems really rather
- strange to me that not everyone in the English-speaking world is
- familiar, intimately, with this book.
-
- In this particular quotation, what's going on is this: Winston and
- Julia have been involved in an illicit affair, and have also declared
- themselves enemies of the totalitarian state. Their illicit affair
- is in itself an offense against the state. Eventually, they're both
- arrested and tortured. Winston takes some pride in the fact that
- he hasn't betrayed Julia in any fundamental way, although he has
- informed on her in very specific ways. He is then presented with
- the prospect of having a rat chew into his face. He's terrified
- of rats. And he betrays Julia immediately and completely. He
- says (I'm paraphrasing from memory) "let it happen to Julia".
- Later, when he meets Julia, it becomes clear that she has betrayed
- him in precisely the same way. She expresses this as quoted above.
-
- So no, it doesn't mean "other people" -- it means one specific
- person that you're willing, and more than willing, to have suffer
- instead of yourself.
-
- H.
-
- Herschel Browne
- "The" American University
-