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- From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
- Subject: Re: Sexuality
- Message-ID: <1993Jan04.044209.11566@microsoft.com>
- Date: 04 Jan 93 04:42:09 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <1993Jan1.150532.19814@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> <1i7g9rINNosd@hp-col.col.hp.com>
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- In article <1i7g9rINNosd@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
- >> In article <1i003kINNf0j@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >> >I have sex with my neighbor's wife; we've both consented to it with
- >> >each other, no one's twisting my arm or hers; immoral?
- >>
- >> No, according to the morals of the involved people. In fact, I'd be
- >> interested in a logical argument that it is immoral, without resort to the
- >> biblebook or other religious dicta.
- >
- >Because they have committed themselves to their spouses. (I didn't spell that
- >out in the original statement, I should have)
-
- If the spouses in question have not committed to monogamy, is
- it still immoral?
-
-
- >> >Hmmmm...that's what I thought it still was; enjoyed responsibly between
- >> >married people.
- >>
- >> Why do they need to be married? Again, please no religion-based
- >> arguments, just a logical assertion of what harm is done to the consenting
- >> adults or others.
- >
- >Because if their birth control fails, (assuming they use it) they could
- >end up with a baby, that they are not prepared for.
-
- Now you need to explain why a person can't have a baby unless
- they're married.
-
-
- >> I don't agree that typical people don't think sex is inherently
- >> something negative. Why don't people discuss their sex lives as casually
- >> as their golf games? "It's no one else's business?" Please... neither is
- >> your golf score, and humans' sex lives are far more important to them than
- >> golf (except for Quayle, of course ;-) ).
- >
- >Because it *is* no one else's buisiness, unless you're *real* close to the
- >person you're talking to. You don't see where your sex life is more private
- >than your golf score?
-
- I'll say that I do, but as I sit and think about it, I'm not
- sure why. Why, exactly, should our sex lives be any more private
- than any other part of our lives?
- (And I don't play golf...)
-
-
- > One of the things said by those who are against
- >homosexaulity (and 'excessive' sexuality in general) is that people show
- >a lack of respect for sex; and here you are putting people's sex lives on
- >the same level as their golf score.
-
- See above question.
-
-
- > If sex were as 'casual' as you make it
- >out to be, people wouldn't have such a drastically-worse reaction to rape
- >as they do to being robbed.
-
- Did you really mean to say this? Do you really believe that
- having your body invaded by the penis of another person, without
- a shred of consent on your part, as part of a violent and demeaning
- experience, is no worse than having some material property removed
- from your person?
- Walter, I expect you're about to have the shit flamed out of
- you for this one.
-
-
- > Sex is a deeply personal thing, and not just
- >to those who have "religion".
-
- Fine. But why?
-
- -Phil
-
-
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