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- From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Johnston)
- Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.042053.1061@news.columbia.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 04:20:53 GMT
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- In article <C09Esx.9B7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
- >In article <1993Jan2.230323.29355@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes...
- >>In article <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
- >>>ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
- >>>
- >>>Hillary Clinton et.al. have reasoned, secularly, that children should be
- >>>given the same legal rights and representation as adults, including the
- >>>right to divorce their parents.
- >>
- >>I totally agree with her, children are not slaves or property, parents are
- >>there to provide for and protect children.
- >
- >And hopefully to teach them their values.
- >
-
- Even more hopefully, to teach their children to think, so that their
- children can make informed decisions about their own values.
-
- >>
- >>>Or if the "child" no longer exists, legally, because that
- >>>child has been ruled an adult by the courts?
- >>>
- >>>Why is incest wrong, by secular reasoning?
- >>
- >>Because it produces genetic diseases.
- >
- >Promiscuity propogates all kinds of diseases, many of them fatal.
- >
- >What's your point?
- >
-
- You have conveniently trimmed the bit where the previous author said
- he would have no problem with incest, if not for the purpose of
- child bearing.
-
- >>
- >>
- >>>If a woman can decide
- >>>to have an abortion for purely personal economic reasons, then her decision
- >>>to have a child must also be based on purely personal economic reasons, and
- >>>there is no secularly logical way she can coerce an involuntary tax out
- >>>of the man for a decision she makes unilaterally about her own economic
- >>>future.
- >>
- >>Strange I thought men chose to have sex?
- >
- >So do women who choose abortion, even if the father decides that he
- >_wants_ the child.
- >
- >And suppose the man is unwilling to be a father? Why must he be legally
- >bound to provide for a child he doesn't want, when the mother is perfectly
- >free to decide to have a child that he doesn't want, when she can
- >decide to terminate the life of a child he may decide that he wants?
- >
- >Understand his point now?
- >
-
- Either the father, or tax dollars, will provide for the child.
- Though it may not be fair to always force the fater to pay support,
- where possible, this is certainly better than forcing you and me to pay
- child support.
-
-
-
- >>
- >>>Especially now that the AZT-resistant strains are obviously being spread
- >>>by precisely these people? According to secular reasoning, a drunk driver
- >>>and a sexually active AIDS carrier are no different.
- >>
- >>No according to religious reasoning they are no different.
- >>In secular reasoning the idea of consent plays a role. An HIV+ rapist is a
- >>murderer if someone dies as a result. A person who chooses to have sex with
- >>someone who is HIV+ and dies as a result was not murdered.
- >
- >But, if an HIV+ partner deliberately lies or fails to inform even a willing
- >sex partner that he or she is infected, and the uninformed, albeit willing
- >partner contracts aids and dies, then yes, it most certainly should be
- >at least "manslaughter".
- >
-
- So, you are saying that if you have sex with someone, you are
- resposible for conditions that might result from this act. I guess
- you DO believe in child support after all.
-
- You wouldn't ever be inconsistent in your beliefs, after all.
-