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- From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.041323.16808@netcom.com>
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:13:23 GMT
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- "SLK>" is "kellmeyer steven l"
- "LCF>" is "Lawrence C. Foard"
-
- SLK>Why is *secular* reasoning superior to religious reasoning?
-
- LCF>I'm sitting 10 feet from a machine that can produce 3d images of your
- LCF>internal organs, it was designed by secular reasoning.
-
- SLK>And it was designed in a country founded upon a belief in God. The
- SLK>country founded upon atheism and a belief in man no longer exists.
-
- REALLY? Since when?
-
- The USA was founded mainly by atheists, and laws were put in its
- charters to keep it that way. Since then, we've moved farther away
- from religious influence, not closer. Take a look at the number of
- judgements in the last few decades restricting things like prayer in
- schools, etc.
-
- Just exactly what has occured in the last 200+ years to make this "a
- country founded upon a belief in God?"
-
- Yes, of course, The Bible must have influenced the inventors of
- magnetic resonance imaging systems. How else could they have done it?
- ;)
-
- SLK>Hillary Clinton et.al. have reasoned, secularly, that children should be
- SLK>given the same legal rights and representation as adults, including the
- SLK>right to divorce their parents.
-
- LCF>I totally agree with her, children are not slaves or property, parents are
- LCF>there to provide for and protect children.
-
- SLK>Sorry, that isn't what she said. She said that no individual should be
- SLK>considered incompetent until proven otherwise.
-
- So you'd rather have a country where all individuals must prove their
- mental competency? Those who can't "prove" it are SOL? Only those
- with "state-approved competency" will have rights?
-
- You'd, of course, be using your own religious criteria, since you
- place so little weight on "secular reasoning."
-
- SLK>There exists no religion of which I am aware
- SLK>which holds that children are property and/or that a parent's
- SLK>decision to abandon said children is acceptable.
-
- Yes, but the Christian commandment "Honor thy mother and thy father"
- makes the children slaves to their parents, which is synonymous with
- property. The choice is to do what mommy and daddy say or burn in
- Hell. That's "religious reasoning" for you.
- --
- -----------------Greg-Harp----------------harp@netcom.com------------------
- "I think I've reached that point / Where every word that you write /
- Of every blood dark sea / And every soul black night / And every dream
- you dream me in / And every perfect free from sin / And burning eyes /
- And hearts on fire / Are just the same old song" -- The Cure
-