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- From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
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- References: <1992Dec30.162502.6756@asl.dl.nec.com> <1992Dec30.185545.26789@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan2.230323.29355@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:41:11 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan2.230323.29355@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes...
- >In article <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
- >>ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
- >>
- >>Hillary Clinton et.al. have reasoned, secularly, that children should be
- >>given the same legal rights and representation as adults, including the
- >>right to divorce their parents.
- >
- >I totally agree with her, children are not slaves or property, parents are
- >there to provide for and protect children.
-
- And hopefully to teach them their values.
-
- >
- >>Or if the "child" no longer exists, legally, because that
- >>child has been ruled an adult by the courts?
- >>
- >>Why is incest wrong, by secular reasoning?
- >
- >Because it produces genetic diseases.
-
- Promiscuity propogates all kinds of diseases, many of them fatal.
-
- What's your point?
-
- >
- >
- >>If a woman can decide
- >>to have an abortion for purely personal economic reasons, then her decision
- >>to have a child must also be based on purely personal economic reasons, and
- >>there is no secularly logical way she can coerce an involuntary tax out
- >>of the man for a decision she makes unilaterally about her own economic
- >>future.
- >
- >Strange I thought men chose to have sex?
-
- So do women who choose abortion, even if the father decides that he
- _wants_ the child.
-
- And suppose the man is unwilling to be a father? Why must he be legally
- bound to provide for a child he doesn't want, when the mother is perfectly
- free to decide to have a child that he doesn't want, when she can
- decide to terminate the life of a child he may decide that he wants?
-
- Understand his point now?
-
- >
- >>That's what secular reasoning gets you. Sorry, but I don't see how
- >>secular reasoning is superior to religiously based reasoning.
- >
- >Ever hear of a strawman?
-
- Yeah. Those nasty secular humanists use it all the time. :-)
-
- >
- >>Especially now that the AZT-resistant strains are obviously being spread
- >>by precisely these people? According to secular reasoning, a drunk driver
- >>and a sexually active AIDS carrier are no different.
- >
- >No according to religious reasoning they are no different.
- >In secular reasoning the idea of consent plays a role. An HIV+ rapist is a
- >murderer if someone dies as a result. A person who chooses to have sex with
- >someone who is HIV+ and dies as a result was not murdered.
-
- But, if an HIV+ partner deliberately lies or fails to inform even a willing
- sex partner that he or she is infected, and the uninformed, albeit willing
- partner contracts aids and dies, then yes, it most certainly should be
- at least "manslaughter".
-
- No amount of "secular reasoning" can weasel out of this simple _fact_
- unless the reasoning is based on lies.
-
- >
- >--
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-
- Jim Graham
-
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- Neither do they speak for me.
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