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- From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
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- Date: 1 Jan 93 20:11:05 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan01.090813.28515@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
- >In article <1hvjgsINNah5@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >>Partially right; it was set up to not have a state church, but it
- >>was also largely based on what can be called 'Christian values'.
- >>
- >
- > Walter, describe these values and cite quotations from the
- >founding fathers indicating that this country was founded on
- >anything even remotely Christian. I've seen one quote go
- >past already that explictly states that the country was _not_
- >founded on those Christian values (was it John Adams? I think so.).
- >Collect your evidence, then come back and prove your statement.
- >
- > -Phil
- a few points of interest:
-
- "The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian
- doctrine"--George Washington
-
- "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say that there are twenty
- gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg"
- -- Thomas Jefferson
-
- "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature"
- --Jefferson again
-
- "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by
- the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the
- Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is
- my own church"--Thomas Paine
-
- and for good measure "The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is
- not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated
- statements of Christian dogma"--Abe Lincoln
-
- all quotes culled from "Salvation for Sale" by Gerard Thomas Straub
-