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- From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt)
- Subject: Re: Your own words, of course != bigot
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- Date: 31 Dec 92 18:57:10 GMT
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- In article <C03KAA.2zG@NeoSoft.com> Jim Shirreffs, jpsb@NeoSoft.com writes:
- > We as a soceity *need* axioms to base our behavior on. I use J/C morality,
- > I'm sure you also have a ethical standard, proably not to different from
- > mine.
-
- You are, indeed, zeroing in on the source of the problem. Many people,
- myself included, have a great deal of trouble accepting the whole of
- JudeoChristian morality as "axiomatic."
-
- > Lensman argues that behavior should be based on law, I argue that
- > law should be based on the shared values of those ruled by the laws.
-
- I'd state that first part a bit more loosely... that behavior must =conform=
- to laws. Any behavior that does not impact on others should be outside of
- the law's juristiction.
-
- I'd also agree that laws should be based on =some= shared values,
- specifically those of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It is
- difficult to go beyond those basic values without damaging them.
-
- > I also argue that those shared values should be pasted on to future
- > generations. What you are asking me to do is to place on the same moral
- > plan any two people that declar themselves a couple as I would a married
- > heterosexual couple. I have a problem with that.
-
- I have heard an suggestion that might, in principle, satisfy both camps.
- Since marriage (at least the definition of marriage that excludes gays) is a
- religious institution, perhaps the solution is to say that one may not grant
- benefits, rights, or privledges based on marital (i.e. religious) status.
- This would open us up to the creation of a form of "contractual" (i.e.
- legal) spousal relationship that would make one eligible for such things as
- employment benefits. This way, one may be "married" in a religious sense, a
- legal sense, or both, at the individual's option. After all, the whole
- issue of samesex marriages arose because we made the mistake of using a
- religious ceremony in a nonreligious context.
-
- Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman()
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