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- From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
- Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:51:24 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec31.002350.21895@anasazi.com> briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec30.212551.14782@unet.net.com> stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Dec23.183439.17001@anasazi.com> briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass) writes:
- >>>>BTW, in some services, hetro soldiers can still be prosecuted for
- >>>>consential sodomy or oral copulation with a women while on base. Should
- >>>>Clinton repeal this ban also, while he repeals it for homosexuals?
-
- >>Where do you get this stuff from Brian?
-
- >U.S. News & World Report.
-
- Could you let me know which issue. I was basing what I said from what I got
- from articles that I have read(newspaper, Nov. and Dec. issues of NEWSWEEK)
- have indicated that Clinton will pass stricter rules for military
- people concerning sexual conduct. I went and re-read some of the NEWSWEEK
- articles last night and I admit they were somewhat slim on details of just
- exactly what would and would not be covered other then "sexual harasment".
- The articles only spoke vaguely about "other changes". Could be I was wrong
- (1st time---NOT)about Clinton's plans concerning sodomy or oral copulation. If
- such is the case I apoligize for the near flame!
-
- >And though I believe the subject of the
- >article was in the Navy and prosecuted for consential sodomy, I could not
- >remember precisely and so again did not overstate the claim.
-
- I think you're right here. I beleive the consential sodomy took place with
- this guys wife! Not sure how they got caught though. But make no mistake that
- such acts, no matter where comitted, are currently covered in manual under the
- personal conduct chapters. Punishments are also covered.
-
- >To paraphase what many have proclaimed here: "the military no business in the
- >private lives (i.e. sexual) of its personnel, and so whether someone is gay or
- >not should be irrelevant." Not my words, not my thoughts. But looking at
- >things from their side for a moment, I must ask, if such assertion is true,
- >mustn't the military do away with all of its rules regarding consential sex?
- >And obviously I'm not talking about criminal acts.
-
- I would tend to agree with those that think the military should stay out of
- of the private lives of its personnel. HOWEVER the military doesn't see it that
- way and never has.(At least not our modern military) It would seem pretty clear
- that some of the old standing rules that exist will have to at least be
- modified if gays are allowed in.
-
- >Well, since sodomy and oral copulation would still be banned, wouldn't this
- >be discriminatory towards the gay members? After all, there's not much
- >left, except maybe hand-jobs. 8-). That may offend some, which is not my
- >intent (maybe a little levity). However, if it is repealed for gays, must not
- >it also be repealed for hetrosexuals?
-
- Actually this is a good question. One thing for sure is that the military
- has always done is to make sure that once you're in you become part of the
- "team". This means no individuality of any kind(hair, dress ect.)In short
- there is one set of rules for EVERYONE which are usually strictly enforced.
- I think it would be a big mistake to have any "special" rules for any
- group of people within the military. Further I can't see much chance of
- the established military allowing that to happen without a fight.
-
- >Just some points of ponder.
-
- And ponder them I have!
-
- Stan Knight
- |Ponder not and stay ignorant forever|
-