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- From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
- Subject: Re: Sexuality
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.225952.3390@nwnexus.WA.COM>
- Originator: elf@halcyon.com
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- Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
- References: <1hqqm6INN3o0@hp-col.col.hp.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:59:52 GMT
- Lines: 71
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- In article <1hqqm6INN3o0@hp-col.col.hp.com>
- smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
-
- >I'm a little confused here. Most people don't think "Sex is a
- >horrible, dirty thing". On the other hand, you said you were
- >monogamous; and then said "...that you only share with the one you
- >love" part. Are you only monogamous out of safety, or are you
- >monogamous out of love? Why do you feel monogamy is the right thing
- >to do?
-
- Why not? I, a reasonably confirmed polyamorous person, find the
- monogamous standpoint completely understandable and reasonable. To
- believe sex is a beautiful, wonderful thing, and there's only one
- person he wants to share it with, strikes me as a straightforward and
- rational expression of love.
-
- Safety could be his concern; it's a dangerous world out there, after
- all. Or it could be simple romanticism. Either way, you're comparing
- apples to oranges.
-
- >> In my opinion, the reason that lesbigay people have the reputation
- >> they do is because most straight people think that the outspoken ones
- >> are the only ones out there.
-
- >Yeah, it tends to be the same with Christians...
-
- *Sigh* Too true.
-
- >Greg, you were doing good till there. Wheather or not Christianity
- >conflicts with other religions around the world isnt the point; we're
- >talking about the US. Please don't mess up a good line of thought with
- >needless exxageration.
-
- But we're not. You're missing part of the point, Walter, and that's
- that gays and lesbians are very internationally oriented... read
- soc.motss some day and you'll see how much we talk about laws in other
- countries as well. And whether or not Christianity conflicts with
- other religions is very much at the heart of the matter; if it were as
- monolithic as Christians like to pretend, we could examine it on merit.
- But it isn't... it's just another beleif system, older than some, a
- *lot* younger than others, with as many merits and flaws as the others.
-
- >Unfortunately, from what I've read in USENET, this is not the case for
- >gay folks in general. I've seen articles saying that if a friend can
- >only 'tolerate' your homosexuality, and not accept it as ok, then you
- >shouldn't be their friend. I really think this is too bad.
-
- "You're a really swell pal, Elf. Too bad you're going to Hell."
- I've had a few Christian friends who, when pressed real hard, would
- admit that, honestly, they did indeed feel that way. Of course, I'd
- laugh it off because I don't believe in Hell. "Hell is reserved for
- them that believe in it; the lowest pit in hell is reserved for them
- that beleive in it because they believe they would go there if they did
- not."
-
- These people are still my friends, but I occassionaly feel like I
- should look over my shoulder and make sure that I'm not being
- inculcated with a belief system and mind set I surely don't want.
-
- Elf !!!
- --
- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
-
- Then, I was inspired. God, thy will is hard
- Now, I'm sad and tired. But you hold every card.
- Listen, surely I've exceeded I will drink your cup of poison.
- Expectations. Nail me to your cross and break me.
- Tried for three years, Bleed me, beat me.
- Seems like thirty. Kill me.
- Could you ask as much Take me now.
- From any other man? Before I change my mind.
-