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- From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
- Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
- Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.205410.23918@lclark.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 20:54:10 GMT
- References: <1992Dec29.184740.20472@lclark.edu> <1hq9obINNqpi@hp-col.col.hp.com>
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- In article <1hq9obINNqpi@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
- >>
- >> I feel that if sex education is to be taught in school it should be optional
- >> and it must include homosexuality as an equal sexuality.
- >
- >Hmmmmmm.....what exactly would you teach as 'homosexuality'?
-
- That it ain't just a sexual thing like many sexually obsesed rightwingers
- think it is. Maybe what needs to be taught in school is a cultural
- diversity class...
-
- And what
- >about bisexuality?
-
- No problem.
-
- > (or abstinance, for that matter) Should it include
-
- Yes, is should be taught in a sexual education class....
-
-
- >a module on bestiality?
-
- How about heterosexuality where fathers rape their daughters and
- where women aren't able to walk at night because of the heterosexually
- dominant practice of RAPE....Maybe we should teach people that rape as a
- heterosexual ritual is alright!!!
-
- Bondage? etc?? (not trying to be flip, this
- >is a straightforeward question)
-
- This last statement doesn't qualify the fact that you weren't being flip.
- Saying something nasty then saying I am not being flip just doesn't work
- for me....
-
-
- >
- >> I do feel that
- >> all school should be required to have Counsoling for 'sexuality confused'
- >> students. I am tired of the suicides of Gay teens in this country.
- >
- >Now that's a good idea. Any schools that you know of currently training
- >their guidance counselors to handle (in a proficient manner) this? Or
- >would you rather see a counselor who specializes in such things?
-
-
- Project 10 in Los Angeles.....
-
-
- >Anyone here ever talk to their school counselor about 'sexual confusion'
- >and have any success in getting help?
-
-
- I wish I would have had someone to talk to when I was 11........
-
- >>
- >> And of course you feel the same way about pray in school activities?
- >> You must respect other's values in the school also, the Jew, the Hindu and so
- >> on.
- >
- >You also have to take a sensible approach; only a small number of people are
- >offended by prayer at school functions, and even they are beginning to be
- heard.
-
- Nope I will protect the rights of the minority just like the Constitution
- was set up to do. I wouldn't want some Baptist prayer to my child. I,
- my personal values, believe that they just don't pray right......I don't
- want my child influenced by them......
-
-
- >The 'seperation of church and state' has been cited here over and over
- >in this group; over and over out of context. If the majority of people
- >think homosexuality is not a 'good' thing, then it is not proper for the
- >public school system to teach otherwise; some posters have said that if
- >straight people don't want it being taught to their kids, put them in
- >private school.
-
- Fine....then I shouldn't be paying taxes for something that says I
- am wrong. I shouldn't pay for breeders to continue to have children
- they cannot afford to clothe house and feed. I shouldn't be paying for
- spousal insurance through my premiums for Child birthing and Spousal
- Benefits.....How dare your type call me equal when it comes to taking
- money from me but don't allow me basic human rights. And as far
- as the seperations of Church and State goes, it has nothing to do
- with this discussion....
-
- That isn't something the majority should be expected
- >to do. (dismounting soapbox..)
-
- Our country isn't ruled by a majority. It is a republic. A fantastic
- system that provides minorities protection from the ignorant public...
- ie slavery, womens sufferage...
-
-
- >
- >Walter
- >
- >
-
-
- Walter I am astounded that the person I was addressing talked about
- personal values and how the state shouldn't interfer with his families
- rights and values, I agreed, and now you are telling me that because
- I am not in the majority I shouldn't expect the state to respect my
- values?
-
-
- >>
- >> Bil Snodgrass III
- >>
- >> P.S. My only issue with this supposed Christian is his claim to be a
- >> Christian....but that is another topic matter....
-