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- From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
- Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:46:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.004539.5683@anasazi.com>, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
- |>
- |>The argument (actually, the part of it germain to your comment) is
- |>that integrating gays into the military would adversely affect military
- |>unit cohesion, and that coercion is not enough to fix that; furthermore,
- |>that (unlike the case with blacks), it is NOT important to the united
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- |>states to integrate gays at that expense. Other arguments, such as
- |>violation of privacy of hets also exist.
-
- |>For example, I can claim that
- |>it is possible to modify behavior, but that it cannot be done
- |>well enough in the military case.
-
- |> Finally, I can state that there is no strong reason to
- |>allow admitted gays in the military anyway (there is no RIGHT to
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- |>participate in the military), and thus it doesn't justify facing
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- |>all of these problems
-
-
- Since there is no RIGHT to participate in the military, why was it important
- to integrate blacks into the military in the 50s and not important to
- integrate gays into the military in the 90s ?
-
- And how many times must it be said ? There are ALREADY 10s or 100s of
- thousands of gays in the military. Changing the rules so that these soldiers
- wont have to worry about being kicked out will not adversely affect military
- unit cohesion. Fear is not what is keeping these soldiers in line. A good
- soldier is a good soldier, whether he/she is gay or straight.
-
- And if you have every been in a public shower, odds are that you have taken
- a shower with a homosexual. Would it have really made any difference if
- you knew that that other person was a homosexual ?
-
-
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- Tim Fogarty
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