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- From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
- Subject: Re: Kicked out of a.f.d-q? I don't think so
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- dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
- >>dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >>> I wonder, does Susan Garvin's idea of 'free speech' mean
- >>> that people can send e-mail to Steve Chaney's system
- >>> administrators accusing Mr. Chaney of 'forgery', when
- >>> in fact the 'forgery' was merely a harmless joke?
-
- >> I can't speak for Susan, but your example definitely falls in the
- >> category of free speech.
-
- >Perhaps in the legal sense it does, but Ms. Garvin's
- >hair-trigger response to an innocent joke seemed to
- >indicate her desire to see Steve Chaney's net access
- >restricted.
-
- Maybe so. I don't know Susan very well but I would venture that she
- takes her reputation pretty seriously (to the extent that she doesn't
- appreciate it when somebody forges an NNTP header).
-
- If you think that Susan is the only person who would have a "hair-
- trigger" response in notifying system administrators then have Steve play
- his "innocent joke" with my user ID.
-
- >How could such a harmless joke breach "network security"?
-
- Well, when a jillion people read the "joke" post and hit the 'r' key
- the email address they're going to 'r' to is Susan's, the result being
- that Susan gets a bunch of unsolicited flames in her mailbox. Not the end
- of the world, I admit, however it does constitute a case in which the
- mechanism of Usenet isn't working as intended. Furthermore the "malfunction"
- occurred as a result of deliberate human intervention. What would *you*
- call such a malfunction? Is Steve supposed to beable to do that whenever
- he wants?
-
- >I have a feeling that's merely an excuse to justify
- >ill-deserved punishment.
-
- I'm not interested in what happens to Steve. Maybe Susan is, that's
- her business. When I see posts with apparently screwed up NNTP headers
- I do the exact same thing that Susan did - notify the system administrators.
- There might actually be some problem causing it that they should know about.
- In Susan's case she was able to advance a theory concerning a likely cause,
- which is completely reasonable to include in a report of that nature.
-
- I don't know anything about Susan's motivations, but I don't think
- I would've handled it differently than she did. If I spot a glitch I
- report it to the interested system administrator.
-
- >> remember, Robert Morris's internet worm started as a
- >> "harmless joke".
-
- >Oh please, this doesn't even begin to compare. No harm
- >was intended, and no harm could have resulted, except
- >possibly for some harm to Ms. Garvin's already inflated
- >ego.
-
- Susan's ego is her business, not mine. As far as the comparison between
- Morris and Chaney, I would certainly agree that Morris's "harmless joke"
- was more prolific than anything I would expect from Steve. Yet I don't
- think that Steve has any legitimate grounds for complaint that Susan
- reported ("tattled on") his actions. Steve is perfectly free to write to
- Susan's administrators to tell them that she follows the rules, just as
- she's free to write to his to tell them when he doesn't.
-
- --
- Nathan Engle Software Juggler
- Psychology Department Indiana University
- nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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