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- From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
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- Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.194444.2601@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 26 Dec 92 19:44:44 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec25.175244.2266@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
- >
- >And also another example of why the conditioning that the military would
- >require in order to accept gays would not work. THese sailors were
- >obviously conditioned against murder (life in Leavenworth Stockade breaking
- >breaks is not to be taken lightly), and yet they still committed. To me,
- >this simply highlights the aversion that some young men in the military
- >have to gays (no surprise to me), and how hard it would be to change
- >that aversion, and how poorly units would function in the interim.
-
- Your arguement boils down to "because these people would do an action even
- though it is wrong, we must pander to their desires". Now, do you
- support one of Rush's big bugaboos, condom distribution in schools?
- The arguement is the same "they are going to do it, therefore we must
- support their actions".
-
- I have no problem with condom giveaways because I don't object to premarital
- sex. But you must adopt one of these positions to be self consistent:
-
- 1) accept the behavior of people, and set up society to allow them to
- do whatever they want (i.e., ban gays from military becuase
- of anti gay feeling, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY distribute condoms to
- help make premarital sex safer)
- 2) claim that you don't support either violence aginst gays or premarital sex
- and try to modify the behavior of young people, both wrt to premarital
- sex (abstainence) and gays (tolerance)
- 3) Admit you support violence against gays, but don't support premarital
- sex (thus, keep them out of the military, and DON't distribute
- condoms).
-