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- From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
- Subject: Re: The Ultimate Hypocrisy
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.210006.16741@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:00:06 GMT
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- JIM GRAHAM (graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu) wrote:
- : In article <342@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes...
- : >In article <1992Dec8.191700.19308@afit.af.mil> wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Br
- alick) writes:
- : >#
- : >#In article <294@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- : >#| Any choice the pregnant woman wants to make.
- : >#
- : >#Any choice? About anything? Really? You wouldn't care to narrow that
- : >#focus a tad, would you? What is the policy of the AMA or the thinking
- : >#in medical ethics about voluntary amputations, for example? Are such
- : >#even permitted?
- : >
- : >Any choice about her pregnancy. I made the mistake of believing that
- : >you were bright enough to follow context. My mistake.
- :
- : Ah, but what about voluntary amputations. Suppose I'm a productive
- : member of society, and due to an unfortunate turn of events, I end up
- : with a leg that no longer works, and in fact, produces a significant
- : amount of chronic pain... so much so that I can no longer work, nor
- : can I be the husband or father I once was.
- :
- : In short, I can no longer earn a living, nor can I be as _responsible_
- : as I once was.
- :
- : So, I'm left with sucking blood from a welfare system (and perhaps
- : Social Security), just to eat, BECAUSE I can find no surgeon that can
- : see things AS I SEE THEM, and refuses to give me a stump that produces
- : hopefully less pain, and will fit in an artificial leg, allowing me once
- : again, some semblance of "normalcy", and returns me to a _productive_ life.
- :
- : Shouldn't this be a matter of my "choice", considering the alternative
- : cost to the rest of society (at least those that give in to extortionists
- : and pay taxes)?
- :
- : And what about any "pain" that I may feel afterward? Is it not possible
- : that many people that have abortions suffer some type of emotional
- : "pain" later on?
- :
- : My point, which I hope is understandable, is this...
- :
- : My understanding of this whole "choice" thing is that a women should have
- : absolute rule over her own body (which by the way, I agree with).
- :
- : So, why shouldn't I have the same absolute rule over mine?
- :
- : You really can't argue that in one case the person is causing themselves
- : permanent and irrevocable disability. That may also be true of the
- : women who chooses to abort, although it may be emotional rather than
- : physical.
- :
- : However, there are other "precedents" in our society that would make this
- : an inequality.
- :
- : Voluntary or "elective" amputation is a good example, I think. What's more,
- : one could argue about whether or not my leg that is amputated
- : is a "human being". It should be obvious to most, with NO twisting of
- : terminology, that cutting off a leg is not the end of a human being
- : (ie mine), but aborting a child in the womb simply IS.
- :
- : There is no difference in terms of survivability between me, the amputee,
- : or the mother, who had her child aborted. We both are still alive.
- :
- : My leg isn't, and the child isn't either. But one at least had the
- : _potential_ of a _thinking_, sentient human being, whether one chooses
- : to call it a human being in or out of the womb.
-
- I have no problem with you cutting off your leg in such a situation. Who has
- been telling you that you can't get such an amputation?
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