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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
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- Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
- Date: 23 Dec 1992 07:13:29 GMT
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- In article <Bzp764.2qL@andy.bgsu.edu>, jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:
- |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- |> > In article <Bzn89s.87y@andy.bgsu.edu>, jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:
- |> > |> rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Johnston) writes:
- |> > |> >
- |> > |> > There is NO reason, other than bigotry, to keep homosexuals out of
- |> > |> > the military. The question of showering and rooming together is
- |> > |> > quite irrelevant. Do you think that there aren't gays in the military
- |> > |> > now? How many soldiers do you think have been approached sexually,
- |> > |> > in a harassing manner, by another man in the shower? I'll bet you can't
- |> > |> > think of even one case.
- |> > |>
- |> > |> While I'm not in on this discussion directly, I was a non-com in
- |> > |> the army, and I COULD cite a few cases of such behavior, if you
- |> > |> REALLY wanted me to, from not-too-distant experience. One of my
- |> > |> OWN privates once came to me with this very same problem once.
- |> > |> Infrequent? Probably. Doesn't happen? Not on your life...
- |> >
- |> > If you know of such a case, you must have reported it, otherwise you
- |> > would have been in deriliction of duty, no?
- |>
- |> No. That's the nice thing about gaining a little rank, having
- |> a little (just a little) personal autonomy in the structure of
- |> the military. Such cases don't always have to be reported, if
- |> they're acted upon in a responsible manner by whomever happens
- |> to become knowledgable of the situation. [Note, however, that
- |> if an NCO _does_ take charge of handling a potential trouble spot,
- |> and screws it up, and gets caught for screwing it up, the $#!+ is
- |> really going to hit the fan, and the NCO will become the responsible
- |> party.] Did I report it, or take personal action on it? I
- |> handled the situation myself.
- |>
- |> >
- |> > So what happened? Was the person punished?
- |>
- |> What ultimately happened was between four people, myself, the
- |> two parties in question, and the NCO in charge of the perpetrator.
- |> And as per agreement between the four parties, it ended there.
- |> So I'm not at liberty to elaborate on the details in any way
- |> way, other than to be able to let you know that the perpetrator
- |> was punished in a fair manner at the lowest level we could keep
- |> things at. [Punishment in the military is supposed to be fair,
- |> swift, and as private as possible.]
-
- So why should we take this seriously in considering whether Gays
- should be allowed in the Armed Forces?
-
- I'm not being flippant. Why should we?
-
- jon.
-