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- Subject: Re: "We are not allied with any sect or denomination" - Really?
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- From: dlittlej@csulb.edu (Darren Littlejohn)
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:13:36 GMT
- References: <1992Dec15.170958.22521@Cadence.COM> <1992Dec21.200353.20848@informix.com>
- Organization: Cal State Long Beach
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- In article <1992Dec21.200353.20848@informix.com> hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec15.170958.22521@Cadence.COM> jerpseth@sd.cadence.com (James Jerpseth) writes:
- >>Oh for the nievette of 6 months, to believe deep in my heart
- >>that I, and only I, know how the 12 steps should be re-wriiten.
- >>To be the only one qualified to re-write a program for millions
- >>of people in my own image and needs.
- >> ...
- >
- >Hmmm. Last I heard, the program was primarily _for_ newcomers, and
- >that what we oldtimers are there for is to remember why we came in the
- >first place. When I was a newcomer, one of the things I most
- >appreciated was a chance to be heard out, and to have my perspective
- >acknowledged and validated--or at very least, respected. If my views
- >had been pooh-poohed like this, I'd still be actively addicted. Why?
- >Because I would have felt that my needs wouldn't get met in the
- >program--and if my needs in life aren't going to get met anyway, I
- >might as well do what I like.
- >
- >Everyone's program is different. Everyone's needs are different. When
- >I first came into the program, one of the things I had to do to further
- >my recovery was to fire God. I HAD TO FIRE GOD! Why? Because concept
- >of God that I acquired through a fundamentalist Christian sect was so
- >judgemental, so viscious, and so uncaring, that as long as I continued
- >any relationship with Him my recovery was doomed. So I FIRED HIM!
- >
- >Needless to say, regardless of all those other millions of people (and
- >I wonder how many of whom might also have similar trouble with the
- >Christian influence in the program), personally, I HAD TROUBLE WITH IT,
- >and for the record, after four years I STILL HAVE TROUBLE WITH IT. And
- >in every meeting I've been to where the issue has come up, there's been
- >at least one other person besides myself who agrees with me.
- >
- >To me, the most important thing to remember about the program is that
- >it isn't perfect. It works well enough that it doesn't have to be
- >perfect. If it's perfect for you, fine. But please do me the kindness
- >of remembering that it isn't perfect for _me._ There are things about
- >it I don't like, that aren't good for me, but that I put up with for
- >the sake of the things that _are_ good for me. On the whole it's a
- >win for me, but if I could change certain things, I would.
- >
- >And so, as one of those millions who's had to put up with The Lord's
- >Prayer (just what I need in an HP, ... a "lord" ... no thanks!), please
- >remember that I am tolerating this sectarian intrusion into my program
- >for the sake of _your_ recovery. I'd appreciate a little respect for
- >my position and those who feel as I do.
- >
- >At a minimum, please do me the kindness of never using that sort of
- >line on a newcomer again.
- >
- >Thank you,
- >
- >Robert Hartman
-
- Well Robert, I certainly understand and empathize with your position. It's
- OK. Don't let the Die Hards dysfunctional thinking stop you from YOUR
- recovery. There is an interesting book called Recoverying CAtholics by
- Larsen that I recommend. I have appointed myself the messenger of
- New Age Metaphysical recovery. I talk about total recovery and various
- other nasty topics like therapy and Zen in every meetint I can. I sat with
- some old timers the oterh day (Xmas day) and told them they were rigid and
- narrowminded. (one word?)We had a long talk to discover that we really dont
- disagree TOO much at heart. It's just the language that is used that
- is kind of hard to deal with sometimes, and the lack of openmindedness
- too alternatives.....borne of fear.
-
- --
- "The Harvests are plentiful, the laborers few" Jesus Christ
-
- "what you're lookin' for, you're lookin' with!" Chuck C.
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