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- From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
- Subject: Re: Most Commercial..
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- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:31:28 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.233130.1422@rose.com>
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- Date Entered: 12-25-92 18:25
- Quoted From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hackers schmackers)
- >
- > Somewhere in Cyberspace, tedwards@wam.umd.edu said about 'Most
- > Commercial Rave.':
- > |In article <1992Dec24.161115.9991@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg
- > |ipp) writes:
- > |>He makes it sound like a rip-off of the 1960s Tim Leary days. Why
- > |>can't we ever be given our OWN culture, our OWN identity? Everything
- > |>is compared to what older generations did yesterday...
- > |
- > |Because we are only part of grand cycle...raving is just a modern
- > |expression of a beat and a feeling locked deep inside the psyche
- > |of humanity for eons, expressed, stifled, supressed, and
- > |expressed once more.
- >
- > That's all well and cool, but don't you think that cycle is evolving?
- > for it to contunue to evolve, it should be likened to the past, but
- > also seen in a new (strobe-)light.....
- >
-
- I agree. It can be likened to the past, but not considered a
- throw-back to it. What we are doing is partly original (at least the
- way I see it). The parts raves took were the music orientation, and
- the hallucinogen aspect. Theres a great deal that current generations
- created and threw into the scene (like, as is brought up in your
- quoting sentence, cyberspace and virtual reality -- some ravers seem
- to be into this stuff. You can add whistles, flourescent paint, and
- an accepting attitude to that.)
-
- > ...
-
- > I actually give the generalized-stereotyped-popular-media a lot of
- > credit in this historical sense - seeing it as a mostly new culture
- > wit a little 'o dee ole.....Personal-e I don't even trust too much
- > anyone who DOESN'T liken rave to the 60's in some hyper-dimensional
- > sense or another.....
- >
-
- And I do admit that I must give credit to those who invented LSD and
- whom first ventured into the forest to eat mushrooms. But... popular
- media is generally bullshit... look at Inside Edition or A Current
- Affair. When they investigate raves, what do they dig up? A shooting
- at a rave in New York, and the possibility of smart drinks screwing up
- your brain. Oh yeah, and they briefly mention that people have fun at
- these things. (if you want to argue about that, you can email me
- instead of getting into the issues of media-brainwashing in alt.rave)
-
- > ...
-
- > At any rate, Timoth-e Lear-e is into raves....There's a reason for
- > that...don't deny it in your mind, don't deny it in the media, don't
- > deny it to other ravers, just try and realize why he likes raves, and
- > movin' on up from there.....Raves are much more than Leary and the
- > 60's we all know that, but if we don't learn from the past we can't
- > move forward.....
- >
-
- Timothy Leary is also a major proponent of Virtual Reality. I'm not
- discrediting him -- he's done a lot for the rave scene. I think,
- however, that we should be seen as those who build on the past and
- don't just emulate it (as the author of the original newspaper article
- suggested, I believe). Raves have passed the break-in stage; they're
- not just a fad anymore, and they shouldn't be treated as such. Given,
- they will eventually die out in their present form, but in a
- different design, will continue into the future.
-
- > |-Thomas
- > | resident technoshaman
- >
- >
- > 2day I took food from the hand of a starving child....
- >
- > happ-e holi-daze....chew your food slowly....
- >
- > --
- >
- > ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation
- > ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
- >
- >
-
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