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- From: stoesser@i31s17.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
- Newsgroups: alt.quotations
- Subject: Re: Presidential quote (Bush/atheism)
- Date: 2 Jan 1993 14:03:11 GMT
- Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
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- There was a long long long discussion on this thread when the quotes
- appeared first in alt.atheism. The result was that someone messed it up
- while retyping it. The a.a FAQ file reads (see end for ObQuote):
-
- # Subject: George Bush on atheism and patriotism
- #
- # Typical posting:
- #
- # Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens?
- #
- # Response:
- #
- # The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I.
- # Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman
- # is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of
- # the press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce
- # federal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the
- # presidential primary:
- #
- # RS: "What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"
- #
- # GB: "I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in
- # God is important to me."
- #
- # RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of
- # Americans who are atheists?"
- #
- # GB: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
- # nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under
- # God."
- #
- # RS: "Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation
- # of state and church?"
- #
- # GB: "Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not
- # very high on atheists."
- #
- # UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were
- # still angry over the remarks.
- # The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27,
- # 1989. It can also be found in "Free Enquiry" magazine, Fall 1988 issue,
- # Volume 8, Number 4, page 16.
- #
- # On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane,
- # cochairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a
- # lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School
- # District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to
- # pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as "one nation under God"
- # (Bush's phrase). The following conversation took place:
- #
- # RS: "American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday.
- # Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"
- #
- # EM: "It's bullshit."
- #
- # RS: "What is bullshit?"
- #
- # EM: "Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."
- #
- # RS: "Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush
- # campaign is on this issue."
- #
- # EM: "You're welcome."
- #
- # After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract
- # his statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the
- # President, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by
- # his original statement, and wrote:
- #
- # "As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports
- # atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or
- # supported by the government."
- #
- # For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American
- # Atheist Press's Cameron Road address.
- #
-
- ObQuote:
- "... A socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to
- leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
- capitalism and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson on Feminism
- Achim
- _____________________________________________________________________
-
- I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian. This does _not_
- mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
- or eat fish.
-
-
-