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- From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
- Newsgroups: alt.quotations
- Subject: Re: Slick Willie
- Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:43:46 GMT
- Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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- Bill Marcum (bmarcum@world.std.com) wrote:
- : In article <1h7k8dINNrij@travis.csd.harris.com> kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) writes:
- : >
- : >I'd like to take exception to this, as well as Asimov's quote from his
- : >_Foundation_ series that:
- : >
- : > "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
- : >
- : >While they >sound< great, they are both grammatically incorrect (or, I am
- : >reading the wrong thing into them, which could be the case but I doubt it).
- : >
- : >If X was the "last refuge" of Y, then wouldn't it make sense that Y would
- : >try >everything else< before trying X? I.e. it is their "last resort," as
- : >it were? This would be giving Y much more credit than Y deserves (i.e.
- : >the quotes are trying to show that Y is wrong/a fool/an idiot, and my
- : >grammatical interpretation of them shows that Y will exhaust all options
- : >before trying X).
- : >
- : >It would be much better worded "X is the first refuge of Y", would it not?
- : >
- : >Just a thought.
- : >--
- : Maybe the point is that a fool will try everything he can _think_ of, where
- : someone wiser might find a better way.
-
- But still, if violence is the last refuge of the >in<competent, then what
- pray tell is the last refuge of the >competent<? (I don't think there is
- any difference, really; unless Asimov meant that the competent will try
- violence >before< ruling out all other options, which I highly doubt).
-
- In other words, if a competent person comes across a problem that they
- absolutely cannot solve, will they resort to violence? If so, then the
- quotation doesn't differentiate between the two and is thus basically
- useless.
-
- Too bad we can't ask the author. :-(
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