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- From: marc@sei.cmu.edu (Marc Graham)
- Subject: Re: Slick Willie
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.134531.18516@sei.cmu.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec22.015808.5831@quantime.co.uk> <1h7k8dINNrij@travis.csd.harris.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:45:31 EST
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- In article <1h7k8dINNrij@travis.csd.harris.com>, kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) writes:
- |> Roger Phillips (roger@quantime.co.uk) wrote:
- |> : In article <1992Dec21.204854.3444@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
- |> : Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
- |> : > does anyone remember the exact quote and source for
- |> : > the line about patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel?
- |> :
- |> : "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
- |> : -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784),
- |> : Boswell's _Life of Johnson_, vol. 2, p. 344 (6 Apr 1775)
- |>
- |> I'd like to take exception to this, as well as Asimov's quote from his
- |> _Foundation_ series that:
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- |> "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
- |>
- |> While they >sound< great, they are both grammatically incorrect (or, I am
- |> reading the wrong thing into them, which could be the case but I doubt it).
- |>
- |> If X was the "last refuge" of Y, then wouldn't it make sense that Y would
- |> try >everything else< before trying X? I.e. it is their "last resort," as
- |> it were? This would be giving Y much more credit than Y deserves (i.e.
- |> the quotes are trying to show that Y is wrong/a fool/an idiot, and my
- |> grammatical interpretation of them shows that Y will exhaust all options
- |> before trying X).
- |>
- |> It would be much better worded "X is the first refuge of Y", would it not?
- |>
- |> Just a thought.
- |> --
- |> Kenneth L. Beal, Jr. kbeal@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com | Use OS/2 2.0! :-) often.
- |> "I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!" - MST3k | Learn. Keep moving.
- |> "Street person my responsibility." - Indigo Girls | Better yourself.
- |> The opinions expressed above are shared. The preceding sentence is false.
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- I believe that Dr. Johnson had in mind precisely the interpretation
- you suggest. When confronted with the depravity of his conscience and
- the odiousness of his way, a scoundrel will seize upon Patriotism as
- his final justification. (Whereas, the incompetent will become
- violent.) These sayings are, to use your phrase, about X more than
- they are about Y.
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