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- From: Elise@p19.f341.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Elise)
- Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
- Path: sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!kksys.com!tdkt!FredGate
- Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
- Subject: Re: Intro to me and question for all
- Message-ID: <725377189.AA00035@tdkt.kksys.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:47:42 -0600
- Lines: 49
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- TLO> There have been at least five people in this thread
- TLO> who agreed that my use of the word fit their
- TLO> definition; I've never even met some of them. You've
- TLO> had exactly one supporter in this newsgroup, if you
- TLO> want to do it by poll. In *my* experience (and I
- TLO> daresay I've spent more time talking over definitions
- TLO> of "monogamy" than you have, since it's a word I use
- TLO> for myself), most people don't have a problem in
- TLO> dealing with it in reference to a preference for
- TLO> having one lover.
- TLO>
-
- I've been watching this thread for what seems like a *very* long time, and
- after reading and pondering have found myself with the following conclusions:
-
- 1) Muffy does not understand vicka.
- 2) Vicka is willing to rephrase and try explaining again and again even when
- Muffy uses negatively loaded language at her.
-
- These two things on their own make me suspect that Vicka has dealt with this
- issue more thoroughly than Muffy. (Not certain, mind you, just "suspect".)
-
- 3) Muffy does not ask respectfully and non-judgementally for clarification of
- vicka's beliefs and identity desciptions.
-
- *This* leads me to wonder if Muffy has any real interest in understanding
- vicka, or ability to do so. It's also something I've had to train out of
- myself, so it's something easily seen in others.
-
- Not that either of you asked, but it reminds me of the spats over labelling
- in one of my communities, where a certain sexual preference label is pasted on
- certain people when they themselves are clearly expressing that they feel
- another label fits them better.
- As one who believes in an individual's right to choose their own
- descriptives, I cannot support Muffy's highhanded labelling of vicka, done in a
- manner that can only be described as closed-minded and ham-handed. (If you like
- kinesthetic metaphors, that is.)
- It's nonconsensual, and I wish to extend my hand to vicka with an
- acknowledgement that Muffy's behaviour in this must be about as much fun as
- being attacked by a swarm of our northwoods mosquitos. (Said insects seem about
- as easy to reason with, too.)
-
- Muffy, I think you blew it on this one. This is odd, since I had been told
- of a friend that your posting was pretty good, but I have yet to see any reason
- for the admiration in which he held you. Perhaps you could show some of your
- other facets? I hope and trust there is more to you. (I know, I know, who asked
- me? Still, I have friends who tell me when I'm being a jerk, and on the whole,
- I think I'd rather know.)
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