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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
- Subject: Re: Intro to me and question for all
- Date: 23 Dec 92 15:52:08
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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- In-reply-to: vicka@wrq.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:23:32 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec23.222332.28910@u.washington.edu> vicka@wrq.com (the Littlest Orc) writes:
- >It occurs to me that I'm not quite certain where the problem lies. Is
- >it that I use a word "monogamy" in a way you don't like, or is it that a
- >person who is capable of having honest, above-board, perfectly agreeable
- >relationships with multiple lovers should still prefer a different sort
- >of arrangement?
-
- Amazing. Reminds me of alt.feminism. You give me two choices, neither
- correct, both at least slightly obnoxious, and tell me I have to pick
- one. You then go on to put me down, whichever one I choose. You'd do
- very well indeed over there.
-
- I don't know *what* you have been reading, but you have not understood
- anything I have said. I have heard that there will be a post on this
- subject coming out soon; perhaps you will understand that one better.
-
- >If the latter, well, that still seems petty, but in an uglier and more
- >dictatorial manner. How can you imagine you know better than I what I
- >like, or what's happiest and best for me and/or mine? You've stated
- >elsewhere that you believe that "everyone is capable of polyamory"; if
- >that means that anyone can be honest and open about their love-lives, I
- >think that's completely true. On the other hand, if you mean "everybody
- >would really be happy if they only opened up their minds and conducted
- >their personal lives way *Muffy* likes to", then I think that's a rather
- >parochial attitude.
-
- What a charming, charming paragraph. This does bring us somewhat back
- to the original point, though. You are *not* living your life the way
- *you* say you want to. As I said at the beginning, I think that is an
- odd way to live. It has *NOTHING* to do with how I choose to live, and
- I have not prescribed (nor would I) how anyone else should live.
- However, if someone says to me "I'd rather be a vegetarian, but I really
- enjoy having a nice steak every week or so," I think it is useful to
- them to point out that this is very contradictory. It DOESN'T MATTER
- whether I, personally, prefer steak or vegetarianism...what matters is
- that their life is, in fact, in conflict with their stated desires.
-
- When I discover such a place in my life, I try to resolve the conflict.
- It is true that I generally go toward options which provide more freedom
- of choice. So, if it was me in your situation, I would choose to be
- polyamorous (which, of course, does not *REQUIRE* multiple lovers, but
- allows for it, thus letting me have whatever number works for me at any
- particular time). However, I have not at any point tried to say that
- that (or anything else) is what you should do/choose.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-