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- From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
- Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
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- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:13:33 GMT
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- lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
-
- >In article <C07KIM.LwE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes...
- >>
- >>George Papp makes some interesting comments about oral tradition and evidence.
- >>
- >>I, personally, am perfectly willing to accept oral tradition from someone who
- >>doesn't seem to be working straight out of Gardner's BoS. However, both
- >>Fam-Trads I know are incredibly unlike modern Wicca. (They are also incredibly
- >>unlike each other, as the two people who I know, and who know each other, will
- >>agree.) One is a tradition of some simple folk magic and some talents for
- >>Healing. The other is more a tradition of mysticism than magic, though every
- >>generation has had its share of magical practitioners. *Neither* of them are
- >>religions, and both are unwritten. I acknowledge that this sort of Fam-Trad
- >>exists, but I've seen no evidence of Wicca, or an ancestor religion of Wicca,
- >>existing before Gardner. If anyone has some, I'd love to hear more about it.
- >>
-
- >I started not to reply to this thread and I did say that I wouldn't, but I
- >noticed something earlier and my big mouth just won't let me stay shut up..:)
-
- >The way it seems to be comming out is that only Gardenarian Wicca is
- >"Witchcraft" and only it is a witch religion. Fam Trads are not because of
- >the fact that they are not Gardenerian, but only folk magic. Therefore
- >you have no documented evidence of Wicca existing before Gardener.
-
- >Does everyone else see the circle that I do?
-
- Well, I certainly am NOT Gardnerian, but it is the oldest source I can trace.
- Because of that seniority, I refer back to it a lot. As for the distinction
- between folk-magic and religion, I do think that it is meaningful. I am
- responding to people's claims that there has been a structured initiatory
- religion kept hidden during the Burning Times. What my two Fam-Trad friends
- have inherited is neither initiatory, or a religion. Neither one is ritual
- based. If I can find anything that isn't obviously Gardnerian that is a
- religion, I will be thrilled. Does this still seem to be a circle?
-
- Enjoy the journey!
- --Br'anArthur
- Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
-
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