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- From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan
- Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.040239.22574@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
- Date: 2 Jan 93 04:02:39 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan1.214231.14865@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
-
- >Well, let me see . . . Grabbing an envelope out of the trash, 5 mi/sec.
- >works out to 8,046 meters/sec. Can we be friends here, and round that
- >off to 8 km/sec.? At 1 g, you'd need to accelerate for 821 seconds
- >to reach that velocity (about 13 minutes). The length of your railgun
- >would therefore have to be 6,605,602 meters long. Yes, that's six
- >MILLION meters - 6,606 kilometers, or about 4,000 miles. It's
- >3,000 miles from Boston to San Diego.
-
- Uh .... excuse me? Whoever said that we were going to accelerate at 9.8
- m/s^2? I mean, come on, a handgun accelerates bullets faster than that,
- and for that matter you can probably accelerate faster than that (at least
- for a while) in a decent rocket or even a jet.
- The whole point of railguns is very very rapid acceleration. Much more
- force than 1G. Which is why cargo is emphasized rather than people.
-
- Let's assume you're accelerating at 8000 meters/second, which is easily
- within range of railguns. This takes, of course, 1 second to get up to
- speed; in that second we travel 8000 meters (simply enough). Now this is
- cake, we can bend it into a logarithmic spiral for that matter. Heck,
- 8000 m/s is really slow for railguns but I'm assuming a heavy payload
- and/or using a coilgun instead.
-
- Plus which, if you've got a factory on the moon, then what you do is have
- it automated, sending off packages via coilgun/railgun which drop into
- Earth's gravity well and then pop out a chute and glide down. Heck, the
- US government did that with film canisters from spy satellites. Anyway
- the escape velocity on the moon is peanuts compared to Earth; and that's
- where the real gain in space exploration is -- moving the industry off-
- planet where it can't destroy the ecosystem anymore.
-
- >Of course, people probably wouldn't feel too happy about being
- >accelerated at 10 g, even for so short a time as 82 seconds. And
- >would anybody out there feel like computing the drag from the
- >atmosphere on a capsule with a 9-foot diameter (the diameter of
- >the Apollo command module)?
-
- Oh, I see! You're thinking human payload! Ick! Railguns won't work;
- coilguns might but that's sorta stupid. The whole problem with the space
- program, IMHO, is concentrating on manned flights. It's a stupid, silly,
- expensive idea. Until we get a hand on our ecosystem and get our resources
- together, we should concentrate on unmanned stuff. (Jeez ... imagine,
- 10,000 G's. It'd certainly be a fun ride .... not!)
-
- >A.Lizard, stop insulting people you don't know (such as everyone
- >at McDonnell-Douglas). There are often really good engineering
- >reasons behind the way things are done. The laws of physics
- >weren't established as a personal affront to you, which is the
- >way you've come off in this discussion. Howzabout this? Next
- >time you want to pop off at someone for not building something
- >the way you think it ought to be built, take a look in a high-
- >school physics text and at least come up with a rough idea of
- >what's involved.
-
- No, I think A.Lizard is right. I never got the impression that either he
- or the people he talked to were talking about human payloads. The real
- use of railguns and coilguns (I tend to favor the latter) are in payloads
- like satellites, automated landers, even raw ore and minerals (thus the
- idea of shooting off of the moon towards Earth).
- And a lot of traditionalist rocket jocks are very much against it. But
- not all. I remember hearing a NASA physicist talk about railguns and
- coilguns, and he said that it's feasible NOW, just that A) non-manned
- space activity is nowhere near as glamorous, B) a lot of people have too
- much money in existing programs, and C) we still need better high-temp
- superconductors.
-
- >And laugh more. You really ought to laugh more!
-
- Humans in railguns ... hee hee! The whole idea of very very flat people
- comes to mind!
-
- > - - Steve
-
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