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- From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
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- Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:05:33 EST
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- Thanks, Amanda, for your insightful response; I quite agree with everything
- you say in it. Moreover, I think such families are not too uncommon, at
- least in the United States. My wife's family is another one, though here
- on her father's side rather than her mother's. They saved old papers even
- more diligently than we did, so that her family documents begin in the very
- early 1800's. Moreover, they are much richer in esoteric religious elements
- than are the ones from my family: there is an entire handwritten book of
- some 150 pages, called "The Book of Benjamin," written in the 1840's by her
- great great grandfather Benjamin, which begins with a chronicle of his life
- (be was born in 1804) and then contains his home-spun essays on religious,
- philosophic and scientific questions, all rather unorthodox. The threads
- that her family wove its banner from are different from those mine used:
- more Freemasonry and Swedenborgianism, and less magic. But both banners
- are similar, and that may be one of the major common elements in our
- lives. In her case, her father's mother (who was half Irish) was the
- one who expressly claimed occult or psychic powers, in particular, the
- ability to make anyone come to where she was on demand, whether he
- wanted to or not; and all of her three children (two of whom are still
- alive) have seen her do it. But this is another branch; the Book of
- Benjamin and the related papers come through her husband (my wife's
- father's father), not through her.
-
- I quite agree, by the way, with your high assessment of Gardner and his
- achievement. Although I think I can prove that his Book of Shadows
- began to be put together only after Margaret Murray's works appeared,
- and thus is not ancient, this does not at all mean to me that his
- religion should be scorned, any more than it does to you. There is real
- gold of the highest purity in Wicca; though it is not precisely my
- religion, I value it very highly, and see my critical work on its
- sources as a respectful outsider's contribution to its efforts to be
- taken seriously and valued at its true worth. (Since you can get
- alt.pagan, you can probably get alt.magick; I have two or three long
- postings on the sources of Gardner's Book of Shadows there in the last
- few weeks, and there are also valuable contributions by others to the
- same question.) One of the challenges for the future will be to save
- the power of the myth of the burning times without sacrificing
- historical accuracy. I think it is possible to do this, but it won't be
- easy. -- Robert
-
- (Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM)
-