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- From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
- Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.094502.17764@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
- References: <1992Dec31.181506.17884@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 09:45:02 GMT
- Lines: 61
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- george_paap@email.sps.mot.com (George Paap) writes:
- :
- : Now I agree (regretfully) that many pagan books are poorly
- : referenced or researched and I would certainly prefer an
- : exhaustive list of sources I could read myself. However,
- : I don't require an "definitive source" before I evaluate
- : and incorporate ideas into my beliefs. I weigh their
-
- Nor have I ever stated that such should be necessary. I have
- stated, many times, that it doesn't matter where your beliefs
- come from, or how recent they originated.
-
- I just believe that a person should be able to document their
- claims. If they state that they have a family "tradition" that
- goes back generations, then they should be able to prove it.
-
- : validity based on my limited knowledge and opinions, and
- : discard them if "better" information comes along. Yes,
- : claims are easy to make and much of what we read here are
- : only opinions, but some are more informed than others and
- : in the absence of written proof, I'll accept an informed
- : opinion over, "I can't read it, so I don't believe it".
-
- As to whether a belief is reasonable, I agree. However, an
- empty claim of a family tradition is just than - an empty
- opinion. Until someone, out of the thousands that claim these
- family traditions provides some proof, I would suggest that
- my "informed opinion" is very reasonable. So far, no one has
- produces anything going back as far as 1950 - that is only
- one generation.
-
- : A final point on relevance. I'm not sure I would change
- : my belief system if tomorrow some tome was uncovered revealing
- : the "actual" rituals, practices, and beliefs of ancient pagans.
-
- There would not be any reason to - unless there was something that
- you felt was better than what you currently have. There is no need
- to "validate" your beliefs.
-
- : In fact, I'm glad that we don't have a "bible" which locks in
- : words "the right way to do things" or the "proper" beliefs. I
-
- Ah, but some do. Ever heard of a BOS? Some people follow them
- very precisely - no variation allowed.
-
- : don't really care if these beliefs were created in 1950 (although
- : I really believe they are "ancient"). They work for me and
- : provide me with a spiritual framework with which to positively
- : affect my life and the world around me. I think what will
- : ultimately cause the collapse of christianity is the fact that
- : the belief system (for most people) is no longer relevant to
- : their day to day lives, or is effective in addressing the enormous
- : problems we face and will face as a global society.
- :
- : For me, spirituality must be creative, experiential, and relevant, and
- : that doesn't require "definitive proof".
-
- I agree totally. I have never said otherwise. However, this is totally
- beside the point - it is not what I was arguing about.
-
- Bill
-