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- From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
- Subject: Re: PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:56:58 -0500
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- gene@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Dr. Gene De Lisa) writes:
- > It's time for some facts.
-
- Now, if only we can find some *relevant* facts, we'll be onto something.
-
- > Pagan is the term that early xians used in a derogatory sense for non-
- > xians.
-
- This is true, but irrelevant. Two-thousand year old usage of vocabulary in
- other languages has very little bearing on current usage, aside from a
- certain amount of historical interest. "Pagan" in current English usage does
- not mean "unchristian peasant" any more than "barbarian" means "someone who
- does not speak Greek," "senator" means a hereditary participant in the Roman
- government, or "gay" means "cheerful."
-
- > You cannot be a xian pagan any more than you can be a non-xian xian!
- >
- > Being a pagan does not mean that you follow x,y,and z but that you don'
- > t believe in the xian, islamic or jewish god. Period.
-
- Sigh. This is a popular usage, and is still the most commonly used
- denotational meaning. However, there are a growing number of connotations of
- the word in popular usage, some of which are just as applicable to Christians
- as non-Christians. Examples are an experiental, mystical, and experimental
- approach to religious experience, a very strong current of panentheism and
- focus on creation rather than creator, lack of dogma and codified doctrine,
- combination of older symbol-systems and philosophy in new ways, and so on.
- To many people, this sort of connotation is the essence of "paganism," not
- the particular choice of symbol-system someone chooses to use.
-
- > btw., it really doesn't matter if you agree with this definition.
-
- As long as you are more interested in your dictionary than communication, no
- it doesn't. However, words have no intrinsic meanings in and of themselves--
- any meaning is as much a function of who is using it as of the word itself.
- If this concept seems silly or difficult, you might want to do some reading
- up on basic linguistics, or even take a course or two in it.
-
- > You don't even have to agree what "red" is a color either.
-
- Red can certainly be used to denote color. It also has many other, equally
- valid meanings, from political orientation to data security systems. Some of
- these are closely derived from the color, some quite loosely so, or even
- untraceably so.
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- Amanda Walker
- InterCon Systems Corporation
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