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- From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan
- Subject: Re: Faggots and witches (again)
- Message-ID: <T9ZgwB6w165w@freeside.com>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:18:04 CST
- References: <1992Dec26.014535.2308@u.washington.edu>
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- rjb@carson.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:
-
- > Nevertheless, the use of the words "fag" and "faggot" to mean "male
- > homosexual" is basically North American. It was first recorded in
- > North America, and it isn't characteristic of British English at all
- > (except perhaps in imitation of North American slang, and only very
- > recently if at all).
- >
- > Don't you think it unlikely that a usage some people now claim to derive
- > from European persecutions of several centuries ago should first be
- > recorded in the late 19th century in North America? In English?
- > And not Latin or French or Spanish?
- >
- > I recommend checking the Oxford English Dictionary. And not teriary or
- > quaternary sources that have less reliability than the average urban legend.
- >
- > --LeGrand
- >
-
-
- I just read through my copy or Eric Partride's "A Dictionary Of Slang
- And Unconventional English", Macmillan Co., 1961.
-
- Faggot does not make an apperance as a term for homosexuals in this work.
-
- The closest it comes is the word Faggot as, "to frequent harlots".
- Fag has numerous entries almost all dealing with the phenomena of
- 'fags', younger schoolboys doing various menial chores for old students,
- but even here there is no sexual meaning connoted by 'fag'. I would
- expect then, that Faggot is either very recent and as suggested, American
- usage. It ain't to be found in english slang prior to the 50's
-
- Partridge's book is 1400 pages of slang from early english to the 50's.
- It is pretty well researched and seems pretty authoritative as it has a
- pretty good bibliography and Partridge has consulted every old dictionary
- of slang up to his day.
-
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