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- From: mtf@vipunen.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
- Subject: Re: The Antiquity of "Christmas"
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- Date: 26 Dec 92 21:00:41 GMT
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- In <MICHAEL.92Dec26125902@albert.bu.edu> michael@albert.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin) writes:
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- >Close, from what I understand. Christianity, back then, was a fringe
- >religion, and one that was liable to get you thrown to the lions.
- >Perhaps the easiest way to celebrate what's important to you without
- >being punished for it is to celebrate when everybody else is- hence
- >having Christmas during the Saturnalia, even though most agreed he was
- >born in the early Spring. It certainly wasn't the casual adoption that
- >some here may think. I think most pagans are familiar with that
- >feeling though; that is, having to hide one's true religion.
-
- I don't think early christians celebrated the birth of christ at winter
- solstice. I'm not sure if they celebrated it at all, or at least it pro-
- bably wasn't as important as it later became. Only when the emperors of
- Rome had accepted christianity, and the church had enough power to start
- converting unwilling pagans to christianity, were the pagan feasts and
- traditions adapted to christianity. It was relatively easy to convince
- someone to worship st. Apollonius instead of Apollo, if you'd let the
- person celebrate the soltices in a thin christian disguise. But if you'd
- take the beloved festivals away, there would be rebellion. In most euro-
- pean pagan religions, rituals and festivals were *the* important part of the
- religion. Religious doctrine wasn't that important. In christianity it was the
- other way round. This is the reason why christianity didn't face quite *as*
- much resistance as one might've expected. Sure, christians were thrown to
- lions in Rome, but that was actually for political reasons rather than
- religious. It was kinda like what the communists at first faced in Tsarist
- russia. One might even find similarities in what the communists and
- christians did after they'd gained victory, but I guess that's another
- story :)
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- Antti Lahelma GNOTHI SEAUTON
- mtf@saha.hut.fi TUNNE ITSESI
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