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- From: michael@albert.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan
- Subject: Re: The Antiquity of "Christmas"
- Message-ID: <MICHAEL.92Dec26125902@albert.bu.edu>
- Date: 26 Dec 92 17:59:02 GMT
- References: <1992Dec23.011417.9670@s1.gov> <Po5awB2w165w@freeside.com>
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- In-reply-to: popec@freeside.com's message of 24 Dec 92 22:08:24 GMT
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- In article <Po5awB2w165w@freeside.com> popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
- =lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
-
- =>
- => As many of you net.pagans certainly know by now, the festival
- => of Christmas is a ripoff of various pagan festivals at that time of
- ^^^^^^
- "Ripoff" is such a strong word. Let's examine this below.
- => year, intended to celebrate the upcoming return of the Sun to high
- => elevations in the sky.
- >
- [deletia]
- => Any good pagan renamings? Yule?
- => /Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
- => /lip@s1.gov
-
- =Call it the 'Solstice' and be done with it. Actually I have seen
- =Solctice used more and more. I have even heard rumors of Solstice Cards
- =being available here and there. This term is more accurate, anyway, of
- =this season. Every ancient civilization seemed to have major festivals,
- =or celebrations for the Solstice. The Xians picked up on it since
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- =everyone else was celebrating. Might as well join in, 'eh?
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Close, from what I understand. Christianity, back then, was a fringe
- religion, and one that was liable to get you thrown to the lions.
- Perhaps the easiest way to celebrate what's important to you without
- being punished for it is to celebrate when everybody else is- hence
- having Christmas during the Saturnalia, even though most agreed he was
- born in the early Spring. It certainly wasn't the casual adoption that
- some here may think. I think most pagans are familiar with that
- feeling though; that is, having to hide one's true religion.
-
- I'd therefore refrain from calling it a "ripoff". Christianity didn't
- have its beginning with Tertullian, the Pope or Pat Robertson, you
- know. It will most certainly have its end there, though.
-
- =By celebrating Solstice rather than Xmas, we are going back to our roots.
- =And abandoning the Christ-centric venner laid over the Solstice season.
- =And good riddance says I.
-
- You know, it's funny. There are some "back-woods" Christians who
- complain that there're too many pagan elements in Xmas, you know,
- holly, missletoe, Santa Claus, etc. They say there's a pagan veneer.
- Personally, I'm comfortable with both.
- (Which is why my Aunt gets a Christmas card, my Grandmother gets a
- Hanukkah card, and my Mother gets a Yuletide card.)
- =Happy Solstice, everybody!
- =Pope Charles Subgenius Pope of Houston. Slack!
-
- Enjoy the noise. Enjoy the quiet. Enjoy the Holidays, folks.
- Chaplin.
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