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- From: lwl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong)
- Newsgroups: alt.mud
- Subject: Re: MUDs and Reality (Theory)
- Message-ID: <103387@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 04:18:03 GMT
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- In article <72549@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes:
- >Ken Badertscher writes:
- >
- >The thing that bothers me most about this essay is that it reeks of
- >objectivism.
-
- The original essay that Thyagi wrote? Heck NO.
- Perhaps you're thinking of some odd construction in cogsci which
- has to do with perception. But the philosophical concept is ENTIRELY
- different. (If there IS another type of objectivism, I don't know
- what it is. The philosophy is the only type I know of.)
-
- >Response:
- >
- >Fascinating. Now I KNOW I'm on the right track. I'm being bashed on
- >the one hand by 'Objectivists' who think I'm being 'overly subjective'
- >and by 'Subjectivists' who think I'm being 'over objective'. Kind of
- >makes my heart just glow with delight.
- >
- >I'd LOVE to see a review of the theory which shows how steeped in
- >objectivism it truly is. It'd do me a world of good, I'm sure.
-
- No. Get a clue. Your theory is so subjective that even the fluffiest
- of philosophers would cringe. Invoking the name of Plato doesn't do
- you any good, because apparently you don't understand what Plato's
- philosophy IS. You certainly have absolutely no idea what objectivism
- is (at least, not in the sense that the word is normally used - to
- refer to the philosophy codified by the late Ayn Rand).
-
- An objectivist wouldn't _begin_ to waste his time debating the
- utterly pointless, "what happens to VR when you flip the power switch"
- question, or the "does anything really exist" question. To an
- objectivist, "A is A" - the world is real. Please do not associate
- Thyagi with objectivism; I cringe at the notion. This hare-brained,
- totally unsupported "theory" of his has absolutely nothing to do
- with objectivism. For all I know, he came up with it while smoking
- some funky controlled substance.
-
- Philosophy is more than spouting vague (and in the case of this
- "theory", badly written) rhetoric. Coherence is a virtue. As is
- having something valuable to say, for that matter.
-
- Stop wasting your time.
-
- (Obviously I'm wasting mine by flaming, but it's the holiday season,
- and I've got plenty to waste.)
-