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From: [e-mail] (Bill Carlson)
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Subject: One more time...
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Date: 23 Dec 92 00:34:10 GMT
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I guess I didn't save the Rebbe Sad-sack's article to disk, so I will
answer (once again!) a major flaw in his premise....

The article in question, (way back), was part of an ongoing discussion
showing that, (among other things), the idea of the Tri-Unity was not
totally void in Rabbinic thought.  It was pointed out by the Rebbe (SS
for short) that this version of the Zohar, The Amsterdam, was not up
to his standards.  Frankly, I could care less! The point was not to get
a blessing or an endorsement from SS for this particular version of
Zohar, but to simply show that such an idea was indeed present in that
particular century - indeed, the majority of Rabbinic Jews in the time
of Z'vi were swept away into this in the Middle East, and included
entire communities and many Rabbi's in Europe and parts of Africa as
well.  That was established by quotes of a Secular Judiac nature in a
follow up article by myself some time ago on the same subject,
in which I also showed other time periods that this had occured,
including the present century in a Chabbalistic 20th cent. movement,
and likewise during the Qumran communities existance.

So..., the issue of valid/invalid for that particular Zohar text,
(which btw the R. SS has failed to demonstrate - other than providing
his "own" translation on another version of Zohar, and leveling a lot
of shmut against Laura and myself, - but no quotes on the nature and
origions of the Amsterdam version he disregards; but for the sake of
argument I'm willing to let it go at that ...for now), has nothing to
do with the origional conversation he came upon.

Finally, the point REALLY, - is that this idea, (and others similar to
Messianic Judaism), have in fact shown up from time to time, - & these
even sprung from Rabbinic sources!

So..., R. SS, you say that the "Amsterdam Zohar" was done by a
follower of Shabbaton Z'vi? - FINE!  Wonderful!  Only further backs
up my point.  Anyone on here can look up in the Jewish Ency. or the
Encly. Judaica themselves, and see just how widespread that movement
was, and they can further see for themselves, (from those same secular
JUDAIC sources), that indeed - they DID hold to an idea of a "trinity",
or rather - the Tri-Unity of HaShem!

And so my origional premise stands - 'the idea of the Tri-Unity of
HaShem is not totally unheard of, or unknown, in Rabbinic thought',
(though the majority in 'modern' Judaism, during this century, reject
it).

Bye bye.

... 012 But, woe unto the house that the turnip enters :-) 210
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