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- From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Locklin )
- Subject: Re: Magic and Morals (was: Re: Harish)
- References: <1ht8lsINNbej@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1hvf0nINNk8m@uwm.edu>
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- Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:58:52 GMT
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- In article <1hvf0nINNk8m@uwm.edu> hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
- >From article <1ht8lsINNbej@shelley.u.washington.edu>, by grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer):
-
- >> The mechanics of magic do not involve moral principles. The application
- >> of magic, like any other human action, _necessarily_ involves moral
- >> principles.
-
- The probelm I have with all this (which I _do_ agree with to a certain extent)
- is the concept of "morality." Because it is inherently subjective, it ceases
- to have any useful meaning other than that it has to its user. To the NAZIs
- the "fianl solution" was the moral thing to do in order to save humanity from
- inferior genetics. There is no way of "prooving" their morality is inferior
- to ours other than brute force. Too many variables...
-
- There _is_ a sort of objective morality, or moral absolute. I adressed this
- question before on alt.satanism. It can be described using game theory & a
- crude form of cybernetics. I will attempt to find this article.
-
- >But, is there any way to separate the mechanics of magick from its
- >application? I can't imagine how you can. --and that being said
- >we're left with thelema. Absolute and purely relative.
-
- Right...
-
- >The problem with these questions is simple: ethics depends for
- >justification on reason and reason is, by definition, finally
- >incapable (on its own) of achieving an initiated point of view. See
- >William Blake. ;-)
-
- I am unsure of what is meant by an "initiated point of view"
-
- >So let's just stop with all this "what if I put a hex on somebody" or
- >"can I weild power [ha] any way I want to" or .... well, like I said,
- >I'm just stunned these questions are even being asked...
- >
- >I suppose it can be nice to be nice, but only if you really need to
- >be.
-
- Actually, as I implied above, it is advantageous for one to "be nice" in
- most situations...
-
- -Scott
-