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- From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
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- Subject: Magic and Morals (was: Re: Harish)
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:43:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec30.174838.26427@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Locklin ) writes:
-
- >As far as mastering oneself, mental discipline is all that is required.
- >Morality has absolutely nothing to do with it.
- >
- >And yes, it _is_ a moral question that you bring up. There is nothing implicit
- >in the mechanics of magick that involve some moral principle. Morality is
- >no more involved in magick than in any of the sciences.
- >
- >Sure, lots of "white light" new-agers mouth platitudes about "Karma". It is
- >not suprising that _they_ fall prey to their own karmic mantras; their
- >subconcious fears defeat them.
-
-
- Hmm. This is accurate enough as far as it goes; so far as I know, there
- is indeed nothing in the mechanics of magic that involves moral principle.
- The example of the sciences is a fairly exact parallel.
-
- But are mechanics the only points of issue here? There are no moral
- factors in the chemistry of organic nitrogen compounds, the physics of
- explosions and impacts, and the biology of the human brain. It seems
- to me, though, that if someone makes use of these factors to go up to
- a six-year-old child and blow its brains out with a pistol, there are
- issues of morality involved somehow...
-
- The mechanics of magic do not involve moral principles. The application
- of magic, like any other human action, _necessarily_ involves moral
- principles.
-
- This is in no way a plea for some particular dogmatic moral code! (Put
- those flamethrowers down for a moment, please.) IMHO, at least, the
- various dogmatic moralities are as much of a cop-out as the fashionable
- sophomore relativism we see so much of these days. If it's a plea for
- anything, it's for what used to be called moral philosophy, before that
- term became too staggeringly old-fashioned: more simply, for the idea
- that actions (particularly those that have a drastic effect on others)
- should rise out of some attempt at a personal understanding of their
- meaning, and of the way they affect the world (defined however).
-
- I also tend to think that quaint behaviors such as kindness and the
- avoidance of unnecessary violence will tend to maximize my own
- happiness, as well as that of others. Maybe that makes me a white-
- light platitude-mouthing New Ager; I dunno... :)
-
- -- John Michael Greer
- grimoire@u.washington.edu
-
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