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- From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
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- Subject: Re: MINDWALKING Buddhists, oh my!
- Keywords: Re: MINDWALKING Buddhists, oh my!
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.143043.25228@linus.mitre.org>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 14:30:43 GMT
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- Hi Lorenzo -
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- You farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) wrote:
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- Thanks for typing that long piece in.
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- I will read the whole book myself at some point, but I do have a
- couple of comments on what you keyed in.
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- While quantum mechanics and relativity have some very interesting
- implications, the technology for handling such implications doesn't
- presently exist in physics, as far as I know. (Who knows, maybe my
- theorist friends have been keeping something juicy from me.) The
- hologram, observer effects, relativity; are all anecdotal evidence
- pointing to something interesting. It is still, however, metaphysical
- speculation.
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- The point I want to make is, physics doesn't 'prove' any of these
- notions of a holographic universe, etc. It is my own feeling that such
- a picture of the universe *cannot* be proved, ever, mathematically,
- because it is beyond proof or disproof, analysis, reason,
- 'objectivity'.
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- 'The Tao proven by theorem is not the Tao'
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- cheers,
- Lorenzo
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- My (William Tucker's) response is:
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- What I was really pointing towards was a new way of looking at things
- and I think you're overlooking that as the most important point. I
- would suggest that you reread it. As far as poving anything, repitition
- is the only thing that proves anything as far as proof goes.......the
- math is simply a description of reality that encompasses the events
- and seems to work as far as we know. It doesn't prove squat. Reality
- existed before math, not the converse. Thanks for your input. The book
- is very interesting..........I left the more difficult things out in
- the interests of not boring everyone. ;-)
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- This is an excerpt from the MINDWALK sci.philosophy.metaphysics
- thread you might find mathematically interesting.
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- " Also, our philosophical
- tradition offers us little or nothing in the way of conceptual
- approaches to event-networks, which is doubtless one reason why
- Zukav and Capra saw relevance in the Eastern traditions of thought.
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- My own thinking on this has to do with the question of measurement,
- specifically with the idea that an event-net type of structure might
- be necessary for any universe in which anything like a measurement
- is possible. I'll follow this up in a later post. But among other
- things, any approach to the world as a network of interaction-events
- has to explain how and why such a world ends up =looking= like a
- world of solid, permanent objects (like particles) moving around in
- a =seemingly= continuous framework of spacetime fields, at least on
- a macroscopic scale. Some recent publications hint that the S-
- matrix group may still be in the forefront on this: see Stapp's
- article "Light as foundation of being" (It sounds like mysticism,
- but it's physics... it's in a collection of interesting essays
- called =Quantum Implications=).
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- My thanks to Damien Guay for proposing this topic, despite the spate
- of less-than-sympathetic responses.
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- Conrad Johnson"
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- Wm T.
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- "just my opinion thankyou."
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- .standard disclaimer
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