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- From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
- Subject: Re: Pentagrams
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.093444.14720@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
- References: <1992Dec24.193701.12503@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 09:34:44 GMT
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- locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Locklin) writes:
- : In article <1992Dec23.085454.4093@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- : >: >
- : >: >And you don't think that the pagan faiths are not? If so, then you have a
- : >: >lot of reading to do.
- : >:
- : >: Well!
- : >: SOMEONE seems to have had a shitty day!
- : >
- : >Nope - I just believe that the same criteria should be used to judge
- : >all - if you are going to judge at all.
- :
- : Then why 5 three to four line flames in a row? No creativity?
-
- Did I call the person an "asshole" or an "idiot"? If not, then you have
- a different definition of "flame" than I do.
-
- Granted, I could have worded my comments more politely. However, in this
- case, I did not choose to do so. Is being blunt "flaming"?
-
- ... delided ...
-
- : >The point was - does this make the pagan faiths "wrong"? If not, then why
- : >does the same weakness make Christianity "wrong".
- :
- : The reason Christianity is "wrong" (which BTW, I never said in the first place)
- : to my set of "morals" is because it has the noxious habit of attempting to
- : impose its set of repressive moral restrictions on my lifestyle. If we had
- : "jehovas witness" style Pagans going door to door, or attempting to teach
- : their dogma in publically funded schools, or running for office on
- : "Pagan-centric" family values; then I would be more anti-pagan than
- : anti-christian.
-
- From what I have learned - it is not the Christian faith that has this
- problem - it is the people who practice some versions of the religion
- that have this problem. There are also pagans who are just as set in
- their ways as some of the fundamentalist Christian sects. Granted, they
- are in the minority - but so are the activist Christians. If pagans felt
- that running for office on "Pagan-centric" values would get them elected,
- you can bet that they would be doing so. If religion was allowed to be
- taught in public schools, I would expect that pagans would insist that
- their religion be taught along with the others.
-
- : Meanwhile, we have pagans whos religions are based on an equal or greater
- : fiction than christianity. For the most part, unless they get in my face about
- : it, I could care less. When they become self-righteous to the point on nausea,
- : it is time to use the sword of reason.
-
- To me, all religions are based on fiction - so what? If a person feels
- comfortable with a myth, and that myth somehow makes their life easier
- or more enjoyable, then more power to them.
-
- ... delided ...
-
- : My question was a simple one: What is the historical basis for the use of the
- : inverted versus the upright pentagram as a symbol of "evil" or satanism.
- : I have gotten no useful answers here, only parrots of the possible answers that
- : I stated were uninteresting in the beginning (i.e. symbol of a man, point to
- : hell etc...). How this turned into some riduculous comparison between xtianity
- : and the neo-pagan movement, I will never guess (actually, it was the result
- : of several pointless flames & the expected responses).
-
- As far as I know - the pentagram, whether inverted or not, was claimed to be
- an evil symbol by the Christians. I am uncertain about the time period. You
- might recall that the ceremonial magicians of the middle ages and before,
- who were good Christians, used the pentagram in their ceremonies. Maybe there
- is someone, who posts here, who has made a study of the matter.
-
- Bill
-