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- From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
- Subject: Re: Singin' Those Apocalypse Blues
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.002323.1360@u.washington.edu>
- Keywords: gloom doom magic survival
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- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
- References: <BzFoB1.3yD@acsu.buffalo.edu> <1992Dec21.235213.15588@u.washington.edu> <Bznzs9.146@acsu.buffalo.edu>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:23:23 GMT
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- In article <Bznzs9.146@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
- >
- >I've seen far more material on magick than I have on
- >survivalists. Do the survivalists tend to belong to mainstream
- >environmental groups? Do they have any BOOKS they point to
- >as classic texts? Now if there was an alt.land-scarfers group, I
- >wouldn't have had to ask.:)
- >
-
- There's quite a bit of written material on survival issues, yes. You
- have to get it by mail for the most part, though, as I know of only a
- few bookstores in the country that stock such titles. I don't know
- about "classic texts," though; the whole survival movement has only
- been around since about the end of WWII, and that's not much time to
- get classics written and acknowledged. To be honest, most of what's
- available is fairly lame, though there are some jewels.
-
- To my knowledge, there are no single-volume "How To Survive" books out
- there at all -- understandable, given the number of different kinds of
- expertise needed. The people I know who are pretty deeply into it
- generally have medium-sized libraries on the subjects this thread has
- been covering.
-
- Most of the folks I know in the survival movement think the mainstream
- environmental groups either have been fatally compromised by corporate
- involvement or were corporate fronts from the first.
-
- Me, I'm surprised that I _haven't_ heard of an alt.survivalism group;
- it sounds like a natural...
-
-
- >Most importantly, what exactly do you see as the connection between
- >survivalism and magick? (Despite the length of the apocalypse
- >discussion, it was never clear to me what people involved thought
- >was the connection.)
-
-
- Well, in a manner of speaking, this was my question too...
-
- I brought up these issues originally because I wanted to hear some ideas
- from other folks about how magic, and magical ways of thinking, might be
- applied to the problem of a potential breakdown of our current civilization.
- (Implicit in this is the assumption that magic is actually useful in terms
- of day-to-day living, and not just some kind of bizarre mental hobby.)
- I think it was Ladislas who pointed out that, if a collapse takes place,
- the survival of magical traditions might also be an issue worth taking
- into account.
-
- -- John Michael Greer
- grimoire@u.washington.edu
-
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