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- From: tcox@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Tony Cox - (415)926-3105)
- Newsgroups: alt.individualism
- Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, etc. etc.
- Date: 23 Dec 92 15:31:39 -0800
- Organization: SSRL, Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab
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- In article <casseres-231292084333@missmolly.apple.com>,
- casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
- >
- > First, just one question for all the ultra-pure Libertarian types who are
- > saying that no government anywhere has any right to tell anyone to wear
- > anything for any reason: Where were all you mighty warriors when they made
- > laws that say we have to wear clothing when we walk around on the street?
- > Why aren't you out there bare-ass naked like that guy in Berekeley,
- > protesting stupid laws about apparel and "decency"? If you aren't going to
- > deal with clothing laws, then your philosophical opposition to helmet laws
- > is purely a hand-job.
-
- Well, I'm not an ultra-pure Lib, but I _do_ oppose laws requiring
- clothes as well, so at least I am consistent by your standards.
-
- There has been much discussion on rec.nude concerning compulsory
- clothing laws. Actually, in CA, there is no such state-wide law.
- There is merely legislation against `lewd' exhibition - see the
- appropriate news group for further info. The Berkeley naked guy has
- been getting away with it because he is in no sense lewd. Local
- ordinances may vary.
-
- In any case, just because I don't march in the streets against each
- and every law that I find oppressive doesn't undermine my attacks
- upon those laws I _do_ care to challenge.
-
- >
- > Second, for all those who think it's a matter of protecting the general
- > public from having to pay hospital bills -- via taxes and insurance
- > premiums -- for all the helmetless bicyclists who bash their brains out on
- > the street: Get real. Show me that you personally have ever paid more
- > than maybe a nickle a year on cyclist head injuries that would have been
- > prevented by a helmet, and I'll be impressed as hell.
-
- This was the justification used in CA for the introduction of
- compulsory helmet laws for motorcyclists. A figure of $170M/year
- was quoted, I believe.
-
- >
-
- Putting on my utilitarian hat for a moment (urgh), there are two
- points which don't appear to have come out in all this discussion.
-
- Firstly, wearing a skid-lid may reduce your chance of being killed
- when you fall on your head, but it also _increases_ the chances of
- neck injury. You aren't violating the law of energy conservation by
- wearing your crashhat - the energy which would have gone into
- cracking your skull now goes into compressing your spinal column.
- I'm not sure what the trade-offs are, however. Anyone got any
- figures?
-
- Secondly, anyone who has ever ridden a motor cycle will tell you
- that a helmet reduces both your vision and your ability to
- determine the source of a noise. Try this simple test. Stand in a
- parking lot with your eyes shut and get a friend to toot her horn.
- You should be able to point to her car very accurately. Now try it
- when wearing a helmet. See?
- Wearing a helmet _increases_ your chances of being involved in an
- accident.
-
- So even by the states own justification, compulsory helmet laws are
- based upon fuzzy logic.
-
- Tony Cox, Stanford, CA
-