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- From: duquet@astro.phy.ulaval.ca (Jean-Remi Duquet)
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- Subject: Re: Two high tides (Was: Full moon and tides)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.163859.16008@cerberus.ulaval.ca>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 16:38:59 GMT
- References: <scottj-211292091243@iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu> <1h50c7INNees@news.aero.org> <scottj-221292163050@iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu>
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- In article <scottj-221292163050@iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu> scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes:
- >In article <1h50c7INNees@news.aero.org>, shag@aero.org (Robert M.
- >Unverzagt) wrote:
- >>
- >> In article <scottj-211292091243@iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu> scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes:
- >>> The high tide facing the moon is, of course, explained by the gravitational
- >>> pull of the moon. However, there have been at least two explanations for
- >>> the high tide on the opposite side of the earth:
- >>>
- >>> A. The moon stretches the earth
- >>> B. Centrifugal pseudo-force
- >>>
- >>> So... which is it, A, B, both, or neither?
- >>>
- >> [ explanation deleted ]
- >>
- >Thanks for the reply. I got "stretches the earth" from somebody else's
- >post. I took it to mean that the earth's shape was actually deformed to
- >the point that it had a noticeable effect of the oceans. I was skeptical
- >of that idea.
- >
- >So, are you saying that the moon pulls the earth away from the water on the
- >far side? That certainly sounds reasonable to me.
- >
- >--John L. Scott
-
- Maybe I can add something to this discussion. This explanation, while
- technically correct, applies mostly to solid bodies. For example, a solid
- satellite comig close to a massive planet will be disrupted by the differential
- force between the center and the close and far sides of the satellite.
-
- However, this effect is small and can't explain the tides by itself.
- The principal effect is, strangely, the force perpendicular to the axis
- between the two bodies. If you compute the effective (vectorial) force
- on the surface of the ocean (i.e. the gravitational pull from the moon
- minus the force that keeps the Earth-Moon system together), you will notice
- that this force is oriented outward when you are along E-M axis, inward
- when you are perpendicular to it, and parallel to the surface of the earth
- when at 45 degrees.
-
- This last force is directed toward E-M axis and can easily move the water
- since it is not opposed to the Earth's gravity. This effect is supposed
- to be the main cause of the observed tidal bulge.
-
- (for a simple mathematical derivation, see Zeilik and Smith,
- "an introduction to astronomy and astrophysics")
-
- -----
- Jean-Remi Duquet
- Physics dept.
- Universite Laval
- Quebec
-