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- From: bafta@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (dragon-monster)
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- Subject: Gandalf as Olorin (was Re: Bombadil etc.)
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:56:57 GMT
- Organization: University of California - Santa Cruz
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- In article <TJG01.92Dec31093404@thdhub.HomeDepot.COM> tjg01@thdhub.HomeDepot.COM
- (Terry Gardner) writes:
-
- >Are you in fact convinced that the Olorin (Maia) and Gandalf were
- >one and the same? I'm not. True, it would be convincing in some ways,
- >but what about the other Istari? Why would Saruman be chosen as head
- >of the White Council, and not mentioned otherwise? I admit that I
- >go back and forth on the issue of whether Gandalf-Mithrandir was
- >the Olorin, but today, I don't think so.
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- The quote "Olorin was I in the West when I was young" in _the Two Towers_
- seems pretty convincing to me.
-
- I seem to recall that Saruman is identified with an Elvish named Maia
- but as I am at work I cannot possibly recall where. In the Silmarillion
- appendix, mayhap, or possibly the LoTR appendix.
-
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