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- From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
- Subject: Ent Nature (Was Orcs in the Last Alliance)
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:35:12 GMT
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- In article <lewchuk.725788102@therien> lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA (Michael Lewchuk) writes:
- [
- Strange. In LoTR, Fangorn specifically states that Huorns are becoming
- Entish and Ents are becoming Huornish all the time: that sentient Ents were
- losing their sentience and subsentient Huorns were becoming more sentient.
- Furthermore, there seems to be no distinction between "Ent", "Huorn" and
- "tree", other than Ents are sentient, Huorns are subsentient, and trees
- are non-sentient (and immobile). Perhaps there is a distinction between
- Ent and Tree that is not present in LoTR, but there seems to be none between
- Huorn and Ent.
-
- Tolkien himself describes Ents as, well, tree-people. They had tree-limbs and
- tree-leaves and stuff like that. Dwarves are, of course, not rock-people.
- They didn't have rock-skin or rock-hair or such. But Ents had tree features
- and looked like trees when they were still. I know they weren't "tree" trees
- in that they had "legs" and "arms" but in all other respects they were,
- essentially, of tree biology just as we humans are of the same basic biology
- as monkeys in particular and land mammals in general.
- ]
- I always had the impression that the Ents looked very tree-like, and could
- even be mistaken for trees in a quick look. Consider when Merry and Pippin
- first climb Fangorn's hill. Tolkien describes a stump that looks rather
- manlike. I had the impression that that was Fangorn himself, standing
- very still, unnoticed until he speaks to them.
-
- Also Fangorn talks about the trees and the Ents, and how they become more
- alike. This seemed to have more to do with consciousness rather than
- physical appearance.
-
- Also, about orcs vs. elves and trolls vs. ents: I haven't read much of
- the Silmarillion, but Fangorn spoke of trolls being made "in mockery
- of ents, as orcs were of elves." This says to me that orcs are *not*
- ruined elves, but some other creature twisted to a dark caricature
- of elvenkind.
-
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