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- From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
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- Subject: Re: Orcs in the Last Alliance
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.000525.22216@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 00:05:25 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec30.223324.23629@netcom.com>
- solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
-
- > In article <1hstthINNclo@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> (Christopher J. Amow) writes:
- > >In article <lewchuk.725051295@therien>, lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA (Michael
- > >Lewchuk) wrote:
- > >>
- > >> dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz) writes:
- > >> > All living things were divided in that day, and some of every
- > >> > kind, even of beasts and birds, were found in either host, save
- > >> > the Elves only.
- > >> >Does this mean that there were orcs and trolls fighting for Gil-Galad
- > >> >and Elendil in the last alliance?
- > >>
- > >> It is hard to imagine orcs fighting for the West, although I guess it
- > >> could be so that an orc was treacherous enough to fight against Sauron.
- > >
- > >Since orcs were derivatives of the elves, it kind of seems to me that that
- > >qualifies for two of the "same kind"
- >
- > Nope nope nope. The quote (right up above, son! Read yer quoted
- > material!) says that Elves were not divided; they were the only
- > ones who did not fight for Sauron. Ergo and ipso facto Orcs are
- > not being lumped in with Elves.
- >
- > The Orcs etc. aren't a problem, IMHO. Orcs are treacherous enough
- > to start with; the Quest would've failed if it hadn't been for
- > the Orcish treachery in Cirith Ungol. Besides which, many Orcs,
- > trolls, etc. might have decided that they were better off in
- > their own caves then they would be as Sauron's pawns in the
- > Darkness. (And I, for one, wouldn't blame them.) They might not
- > have actually joined the Alliance-- I can't see them taking
- > orders from Gil-Galad or Elendil-- but I can easily see groups of
- > Orcs deliberately attacking Sauron's troops, which might make
- > them qualify as part of the "host".
-
- As orc were known to fight amoungst themselves and even cannabalized
- each other, I too, can see this happening...
-
- > To my mind, the bigger problem is the implication that some Ents
- > fought for Sauron.
-
- Well, how about the Ents/Alliance against the Huorns/Sauron...some
- Huorns were known to be 'black-hearted' and 'rotten' (Old Man Willow),
- so it wouldn't be hard to imagine them fighting for Sauron. I realize
- Ents and Huorns are two different races, but perhaps they had the same
- roots. (ooo, terrible pun) ;-)
-
- > --
- > Andrew Solovay
- >
- > "I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
- > ---Pogo Possum
-
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