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- From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
- Subject: Re: Clinton-Schoo Family Values (Was ..Secular Reasoning)
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- References: <1992Dec30.185545.26789@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan02.093611.24497@microsoft.com> <1i4lbvINNhu6@pith.uoregon.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:25:16 GMT
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- kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen) writes:
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- >In article <1993Jan02.093611.24497@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
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- >>In article <C07oBz.F74@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
- >>>
- >>>Hillary Clinton et.al. have reasoned, secularly, that children should be
- >>>given the same legal rights and representation as adults, including the
- >>>right to divorce their parents.
- >>
- >> Can you document this? I haven't heard anything of the sort.
- >>
-
- >I believe this comes from an essay that Hillary Clinton wrote that was included
- >in a collection titled "Children's Rights: Contemporary Perspectives"
- >published by Teacher's College Press in 1979. Her main thesis was
- >that the legal system's presumption of juvenile incompentence should be
- >abolished and that a minor should be considered to have equal standing with
- >adults unless proven incompetent. "Children should have a right to decide their
- >own future if they are competent" is what Ms. Clinton said back then.
- >Therefore, it is necessary to "...reverse the presumption of incompentency
- >and instead assume all individuals are competent unless proven otherwise."
-
- >She also said that some decisions "should not be made unilaterally by
- >parents" regarding areas "where the decision or lack of one will significantly
- >affect the child's future."
-
- Thus, the Schoo's, who left their nine-year old at home to take care of
- their four-year old, were merely demonstrating the applicability of
- Hillary's reasoning. If a judge can determine competence after only
- a few days of observation, parents can certainly judge competence after
- a lifetime of observation. Therefore, there is no ipso facto fault with the
- parents leaving these children behind while they went to Acupulco, unless
- someone determines that the nine-year old was not, in fact, competent.
-
- To argue otherwise is a direct attack on Clinton's (and the entire
- Democratic party's) family values. The Schoo's were simply good Democrats.
-
- >In this 1979 essay, Hillary Clinton does *not* say outright, "I think that
- >children should be allowed to sue and divorce their parents". But in my
- >opinion it can be easily derived from the ideas she presents in this essay.
- >
- >>[rest deleted]
-
- >>Phil Lafornara 1 Microsoft Way
-
- >-kevin
- >kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu
-
-
- Steve
- --
-
- Steve Kellmeyer
- kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
-